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Naim's summer show is well under way and many of you have now heard what the Powerline can do, albeit not neccessarily in ideal conditions it would seem from some reports.
There seems to be a very mixed bag of reactions, some say better on source, some on preamp, some on the power amp. Are there any early observations as to where this is best placed, or indeed, is one required for each of the main components to complete the synergy. In which case, are there plans for a Naim Powerline Hydra? What implications does this now have on mains spur installations (if any)? Rather than a Hydra, might we see a 3/4/5-way power strip allowing multiple powerlines to be plugged in and benefit from star earthing? Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Kind regards Allen |
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Hi Allen,
last weekend I had a Powerline at home. I have just thrown it to my 555ps, so no further investigations downstream. I was amazed by the effect of a mere power cord! Two things were obvious, the room was flooded with music and top end and bottom was hugely improved. At first I wasn't sure if I liked the transformation... but giving back the Powerline left me with a part lifeless and flat stereo. It took me some days to recover from that experience. One thing's fore sure, I will plug in Powerlines in every possible socket ... My hopes and wishes are with a Super-Duper Powerigel  Best, Martin |
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Hi Allen,
Having borrowed a Powerline, briefly, I can honestly say it is one of those products (along with Zu Speakers) that has left a hole in my listening experience, after it has been removed. Where a single Powerline is put is up to the listeners preference, but Naim has created a product which truly transforms the listening experience. Just have to wait till they are shipped so that they can be appreciated and reported upon more fully. Best regards James |
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A lot of us use a hydra type mains feed from one socket, so ideally I'd like to see Powerlines offered in bespoke hydra configurations.
Or do they perform better as separate leads, in which case Naim need to offer a high quality distribution block to feed them. John. |
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Thanks for the responses.
John, this was where my thoughts were leading. Given that the Powerline preceeds anything else and quite a few of us will end up buying 3 or 4 of them, are we to assume that a 4-way distribution strip ('a la' typical extension lead) is the way to go? Or should we be looking to install a bank of double / triple wall sockets (maybe fed on a seperate spur from the incoming mains)? Come on Naim, give us a clue?? Regards Allen |
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Yes I would be interested in Naim's view on this. Richard |
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This is Naim's view and has been for a long time. This is why I did mine this way with 10mm cable. It's only some people on this forum who shout a different view and sheep follow. |
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As a sheep, I'd like to point out that I was encouraged to use MusicWorks, Hydra, Powerigel by a company which used these items at dems across the country. Moreover, I removed a bank of wall sockets and replaced them with single outlet on Spur. You can spend £3,000 upwards to put 15 pin to socket contacts plus five mains fuses back into your system if you want. Me, I'm happy on the hills with my ewes... |
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It doesn't surprise me that you would be one to reply.
This is Naim's view and has been for a long time. Read the above sentence over and over until it sinks in. This is Naim's view and has been for a long time. Do you understand my reply to a basic question This is Naim's view and has been for a long time. I hope you're happy that your whole system bottlenecks through a single 2cm length of 0.4mm diameter wire. Quoted by abbydog:
I never felt the urge to buy a cd player. You spent thousands until the message finally sunk in. Baa. |
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If you actually bothered to post your kit in your profile instead of preaching 'Naim's view' without apparent knowledge or equipment then I might take you more seriously.
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if naim came out with a high quality distribution block, naim users from other countries could just use the UK powerlines which have the naim technology at both ends and then use one local socket on the end of the distribution block to match the wall outlet of their country.
Mario. |
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For your consideration, a brief selection of Adam Meredith's comments on the subject going back 10 years. I could not find any suggestion that six or eight separate sockets were preferable:
Strange that a representative of a company with a different view should go to such lengths to recommend distribution systems without mentioning a preference for multiple sockets. Strange that Naim should sell the Powerigel on its own website and encourage dealers to stock them by providing demonstration units if multiple sockets are better. Strange that in 30 years of dealing with some of the top Naim trained dealers in the country this has not been mentioned, despite repeated advice to put in a seprate spur. Finally, my experience is that a Powerigel from a single socket improves upon the performance of multiple outlets. Incidentally, count.d, the reason some of us feel able to debate these issues is because we've actually tried the alternatives, often at considerable cost. I hope you can understand the based concept that experience counts. |
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It obviously still hasn't sunk in.
This is Naim's view and has been for a long time. Read the above sentence over and over until it sinks in. My kit has nothing to do with it. I'm not preaching anything, I'm stating a fact. The answer to the question is that Naim recommend double sockets daisy chained together as the ultimate way to power their equipment. My answer comes from ringing Naim (3 different people over the years, most recent Jan'08). If my fact is wrong, it's not come from me and I've been informed wrong. The phone is a very useful tool, you should try it. It's a good way to release all that anger you've stored up. If you do ring, please make sure you speak to the correct person, as they are not legally allowed to give electrical installation advice. Adam and many others have advised the Powerigel and Hydra on many occasions, but this would have probably been to address a particular issue, such as the person doesn't want to hack his wall to pieces installing multiple sockets, etc. Please don't tell me what Naim trained dealers have informed you. I respect Naim and I'm not going to post what I think of a couple of them, but let's just say thank heavens I found Cymbiosis. Thanks to this forum. FYI I have tried the Powerigel and Hydra and didn't think much to either. I really wanted to like the Powerigel and had it twice for a week each time. I too have put a lot of effort and research into my mains. New electricity meter, new consumer units, a lot of attention to detail in the CU fuse holder/fuse wire and it took me about an hour on each double socket to modify it to accept two runs of 10mm cable. Just for you, I've updated my profile. |
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From various chats with Naim and Naim dealers I have to agree with count.d, the spur and sockets setup is always 'optimum'. The Hydra, Musicline and Powerthingy have at various times been rubbished to me by differing Naim dealers, depending on what they stock/ allegances. In my experience the Hydra was great, but I had to stop using it when I moved to the 500 gear as I do not believe it sits well with the NAP 500 or the 555ps. In the end you have to go with the best that you can. Often this is dictated by your home/ situation more than cost or issues of sound quality. Cheers Karl |
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If there was any consistency to the way these things worked out in practise it would all be simple. The only answer is for someone to try as many alternatives as possible in their own home. The improvments in mine from spurs, increasingly fat cables, separate CU and upped mains fuse were minimal compared to a Powerigel. The Hydra improvement was even more minimal. Nordost power cables were not to my liking and neither was the ....hmmm. forgotten what they were now.... two different tuypes - brain's gone dead for change....
So, I wouldn't rely on chats.... |
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This isn't true, then, is it, Count.d - by your own admission. Are you saying that people who ring Naim are given information not available to forum members or to visitors to shows?
If you read the actual posts, you would realise that was not the case. The advatage of the written word, unlike your phone system, is that there is a written record.
Would that be the same forum that is, according to you, populated by people who shout and sheep who follow them, then?
No anger here.
The hobby is about music. Lots of it is only available on CD but you wouldn't know... I think the difference in our findings regarding mains solutions is probably related to our very different kit. Thanks for updating your profile.
Is that safe? Is fitting that part of the advice you received on the phone from Naim? 'As electricity passes through wires and appliances, it causes the components of the circuit to heat up, and if unchecked, this heat can overload the circuit causing damage and potentially a fire. 'To prevent this from happening, ‘weak links’ are deliberately placed in the circuit which break the flow of current before any real damage is done. These ‘weak links’ are fuses which consist of a thin strand of wire which is designed to melt and break when the current flowing through them exceeds a specified rating. 'Fuses work at a specific flow of current, or amperage, so they are rated in amps (A). 'Most appliances are marked with their wattage and voltage, so you can calculate the amperage of the fuse you should add to the circuit as follows: 'Watts ÷ Volts = Amps 'Choose a fuse that is the nearest size above the calculated required amperage. 'Never add a fuse of too high a rating to a circuit. This would effectively remove any protection it offers as it will fail to trip at the correct current and could therefore allow a potentially hazardous fault to go undetected.' |
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You're giving me a description of a fuse and how it relates to cable protection? I now realise I'm wasting my time with you no matter how laughable it's been. Time to cease this nonsense. |
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Don't ring me, ring the fire brigade...
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