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I am sure we will soon be havng discussions as to the best place in the system to put a single powerline for maximum impact.

Feeding the power supply to the TT or to the CD
would seem to be logical.

Bob

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Originally posted by Goldstar:

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I am sure we will soon be havng discussions as to the best place in the system to put a single powerline for maximum impact.

Feeding the power supply to the TT or to the CD
would seem to be logical.

Bob

A really good twisted pair might take a bit of noise off the mains supply, I'd think PSU to pre or CDP. You're seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel though. I believe it's called wishful thinking. Or wishful hearing. The ear of faith, eh?!

Well, actually, I think it's generally known as being taken for a ride!

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

A really good twisted pair might take a bit of noise off the mains supply, I'd think PSU to pre or CDP. You're seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel though. I believe it's called wishful thinking. Or wishful hearing. The ear of faith, eh?!

Well, actually, I think it's generally known as being taken for a ride!

EW

So you know there's no advantage with the powerline overthe standard mains cable ?

regards

Peter

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Originally posted by User34:
So you know there's no advantage with the powerline overthe standard mains cable ?

I'd chuffin' well hope there was at that price!

I spent a while fiddling about with mains cables at one lonely time in my life, a few observations were:

1) Yes, they can make a difference, but not much.
2) The best sounding cable in every case was SY cable, which has a steel "shield".
3) Naim PSUs are far more sensitive to mains cables than anything else on earth for some reason. I now use a PC with a high end soundcard as source - which has SERIOUS resolution with vanishingly low distortion. I have tried plugging my PC in with just about any cable you like with no discernible effect on sound.
4) I do seem to recall Naim's technical boss Roy George saying in an interview, I think in a Naim news letter, that expensive cables had "somewhat nebulous" advantages, and actually weren't expensive, merely being made to LOOK expensive.
5) I know it's unsporting to point this out, but no mains cable is worth more than a tenner or so.

It might affect the sound under certain conditions - if there's a lot of RF around for e.g.. Make yourself a pair, it'll cost you a fiver or so, see if it does it for you. I wouldn't get excited though. To be honest, anyone who pays four hundred quid for a sodding kettle lead must have considerably more money than sense. The point of cable tweaks used to be that one could squeeze a last few drops out of one's system without spending any money; you can buy a very nice amplifier for the price of that bloody kettle lead.

EW

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

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Originally posted by User34:
So you know there's no advantage with the powerline overthe standard mains cable ?

I'd chuffin' well hope there was at that price!

I spent a while fiddling about with mains cables at one lonely time in my life, a few observations were:

I too have fiddled with various homebrewed cables.

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Originally posted by Earwicker:
1) Yes, they can make a difference, but not much.

I found that my cables didn't necessarily make that much difference, but I've found cables from suppliers that do make an appreciable difference that I consider "better".

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

2) The best sounding cable in every case was SY cable, which has a steel "shield".

SY, what's that ?

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

3) Naim PSUs are far more sensitive to mains cables than anything else on earth for some reason. I now use a PC with a high end soundcard as source - which has SERIOUS resolution with vanishingly low distortion. I have tried plugging my PC in with just about any cable you like with no discernible effect on sound.

In that context, with your PC running of a switchmode power supply, I'm not surprised by your observation.

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

4) I do seem to recall Naim's technical boss Roy George saying in an interview, I think in a Naim news letter, that expensive cables had "somewhat nebulous" advantages, and actually weren't expensive, merely being made to LOOK expensive.

I don't recall that exactly, but it echoes Naim's stance prior to the Hiline & the Powerline

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

5) I know it's unsporting to point this out, but no mains cable is worth more than a tenner or so.

A tenner, by the same token speaker cable shouldn't cost more than £5 a metre ? Many would argue, not here perhaps, that Naim electronics are way too expensive for what's in the packet too.

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

To be honest, anyone who pays four hundred quid for a sodding kettle lead must have considerably more money than sense. The point of cable tweaks used to be that one could squeeze a last few drops out of one's system without spending any money; you can buy a very nice amplifier for the price of that bloody kettle lead.

EW

You're not an engineer by any chance ? (edit: LOL, I checked your profile after I posted )

regards

Peter

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Originally posted by User34:
SY, what's that ?

This stuff:

http://www.batt.co.uk/products/index.asp?area=2&p1=50&p2=151&p3=428

When there was a significant difference at all, this always sounded best - especially with Naim.

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In that context, with your PC running of a switchmode power supply, I'm not surprised by your observation.

No, nor me.

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A tenner, by the same token speaker cable shouldn't cost more than £5 a metre ? Many would argue, not here perhaps, that Naim electronics are way too expensive for what's in the packet too.

Check some prices from cable suppliers. NO cable costs more than a couple of quid a meter. Cable simply isn't expensive stuff. If you pay a lot for it you are being ripped off.

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You're not an engineer by any chance ? (edit: LOL, I checked your profile after I posted )

A grim profession, but better than being a Dolly the Sheep!

EW

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To be honest, anyone who pays four hundred quid for a sodding kettle lead must have considerably more money than sense.

Sounds like the basis for the 'ideal customer'.

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Originally posted by Earwicker:

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You're not an engineer by any chance ? (edit: LOL, I checked your profile after I posted )

A grim profession, but better than being a Dolly the Sheep!

EW

I studied electrical engineering whilst I was at university, but it's never been my profession. I think I know what your point is about the markup on cable, but between the cost of the materials and the end price paid by the customer there's often a 1000% mark up.

regards

Peter