John

Certainly for me 135s on coffee tables are better than a 250 on phase 3 (and that was with the 135s cold...). YMMV depending on speaker.

Andy (CDS/52/2x135/DBL).

Andy Sheen said

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Certainly for me 135s on coffee tables are better than a 250 on phase 3

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There is a lot of truth in what Andy said. When I demo'd the 135s at home, they easily blitzed my warmed and Mana'd 250 simply stacked on the floor and stone cold. This simply reinforces the notion that better equipment sound better. Period.

Since replacing the 250 and properly installing the 135s on Mana, I have found an increase in musical impact, speed and bass depth as well as better separation of complex mixes. Overall, the level of transparency is heightened on Mana. But the Mana Effect is more obvious on source components, especially the LP12.

James

Resistance is Futile

/Erik

He told me that he was very confident that I would
really like what it did under my LP12, might like what it did under my CD player & give it a go under the pre amp, but I may not find that as good.

Well, he was spot on. Brilliant under the LP12, worthwhile under the CD, & not for me under the pre amp.

Bob.

Music is the answer.

You will give us Hutter users a bad name ;-)

Bob.

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Get Hutter is my advice and if you already have got Hutter get more Hutter!!

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I agree, you will not hear what your hifi s capable of unless is on Hutter, in fact a £200 DVD player on Hutter will sound better than a CDS2 on any other stand

Well done,

Zob

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I agree, you will not hear what your hifi s capable of unless is on Hutter, in fact a £200 DVD player on Hutter will sound better than a CDS2 on any other stand

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Can't say I agree with you here. I've tried my CDS2 on Mana(phase 2), bookshelves, S/O racks, the floor and other stuff. The CDS2 does not change its sound. I think it may have something to do with the suspension system.

On the other hand the CDX and the CDS1 are dramatically changed with Mana.

Never actually tried Hutter, but I would be suprised if it affected the sound if Mana couldn't.

Arthur Bye

I think Dev was joking, actually.

But, more seriously, I'm planning on getting a CDS2 this year, and had considered getting a fancy stand (after investigating Mana, Hutter and Quadraspire) to put the head unit on, and probably my pre.

You seem to suggest it makes no difference - and if that were the case it would seem sensible to put the head unit on the floor as far away from the rest of the gear as possible, to stop any electronic / magnetic interaction.

Based on your experience, does this sound reasonable?

Cheers
Jonathan

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Really funny, (almost as funny as your reasons for not buying Mana).

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My reasons for not buying Mana were totally genuine and exactly as I stated them on the Mana forum! The funny thing is the new Mana forum is totally different from the old one, really rather civilised and interesting. I might even contribute one day. But hey, my post here about Hutter was a bit of a wind up, poking fun at what a Mana fundamentalist would say about their favourite tables, it's just a shame that I have to explain that because I thought the joke was blindingly obvious.
John
Ps. Who is Zob? Obviously one of a handful of Mana people who are known to me, probably in person!

Music is the answer.

So you have to own Mana to have a go at people. If you want to go on about Mana why don't you go off to their forum, they will love you for what you are.

z
(tongue in check, or what)

Anyway, the best thing to do is to get a rack and so all the components are on Mana => greatest improvement.

In the next week or two, I'll replace my Akito on the LP12 with an Aro, taking me to an LP12/Cirkus/Aro/Lingo/Asaka(ESCo-rebuilt), and I will move from Phase 3 Mana under the LP12 to Phase 5. I will report back on whether the Akito->Aro is a greater jump than Mana Phase 3 to Phase 5 - together they should be blisteringly good!

See ya,

John

Can you explain to me please what is MANA ?

Arie

"Can you explain to me please what is MANA ?"

Good to see that Arie is in festive mood!

Happy Christmas / Hanukah

Bob.

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Can you explain to me please what is MANA ?

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A definition of something that doesn't ring a bell, while ringing like a bell.

Andrew

Andrew Randle
2B || !2B;
4 ^ = ?;

Thanks for the greetings.

Arie

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You seem to suggest it makes no difference - and if that were the case it would seem sensible to put the head unit on the floor as far away from the rest of the gear as possible, to stop any electronic / magnetic interaction.

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Jonathan: aside from the obvious convenience disadvantages of having a CDS2 on the floor, I don't see any reason that you can't do this.

I have a Mana four tier(for amps and power supplies), a five tier (for sources) and a reference table (for experimentation) and have swapped gear every which way. All of my other sources (P9, Nac52, Nat-01, CDX, CDS1, Linn Kremlin, Sony XA7ES CD player) have all shown varying degrees of improvement with Mana. In most cases it's immediately obvious. The CDS2 seems to be the exception. I haven't tried putting on a loudspeaker, or subwoofer, yet though.

As far as putting amps and power supplies on Mana; if there is an improvement it's slight, if any, at least to my ears.

For now, my opinion is that your money is better spent on better sources than on Mana if you think that using it on amp and power supplies will get you any closer to the Holy Grail. My opinion is reversed however regarding Mana with sources with the CDS2 being the notable exception.

I'll also add that my CDS2 presently is sitting on Mana (phase 2), just in case.

The two sources that I felt received the greatest improvement with Mana were the CDX and the CDS1. Both had the wow! factor with Mana.

Arthur Bye

Thanks for the comprehensive reply - I'll spend no more cash on supports until I get both a CDS2 and a 52, I think.

You mentioned 'varying degrees' of benefit with sources on mana (except the cds2) - was the 52 a large benefit? If so I might investigate something like a separate table to put my pre on.

Again, thanks,

Jonathan