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Originally posted by andyvk:
agreed the xerxes 10 is a great turntable, its presentation is more realistic than the lp12.

andy
Thats only IYO

Munch
An opinion thats just as valid as yours.....

What does more realistic mean?

For me, I want a TT that is enjoyable.

I agree that what is enjoyable depends entirely on the person judging and there is no right answer.

I did try to listen to lots of TTs, but in the end just thought well the LP12 is excellent and makes playing vinyl records enjoyable and I enjoyed hearing my records on it. I also valued the expertise of the dealer in the care he took in setting up the LP12 so that it was as enjoyable. If I had had that kind of support with the Orbe/SME then I might have made a different choice.

So what is the best TT?

Haven't a clue and don't really care - important thing is the user has a TT that makes listening to vinyl an enjoyable experience.

ATB Rotf

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Originally posted by paremus:
Peter -

Interesting you mention the Amadeus - not heard one yet, but intending to. What class of performance (keeping it generic - as I know specifics are difficult) would you put it in?

Regards

Richard

Hi Richard,

I need to conduct more research when mine becomes available. Needless to say, for the money I was impressed enough to order one though.

When it comes to set up (or the lack of it) it should keep everyone happy. Looks may be another thing, but suffice to say it looks far better in the flesh than in the pictures I've seen so far.

Why something using a golf ball (yes, you did hear me correctly) sounds so good had me shaking my head a little bit (mind you it was running an XV1-s)!

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Originally posted by Rotf: I did try to listen to lots of TTs, but in the end just thought well the LP12 is excellent and makes playing vinyl records enjoyable and I enjoyed hearing my records on it. I also valued the expertise of the dealer in the care he took in setting up the LP12 so that it was as enjoyable. If I had had that kind of support with the Orbe/SME then I might have made a different choice.

Talking of the Michell, I'll be listening to Geoff P's next week while having a short "holiday" - Should be interesting as he too uses a XV1-s.

Kind regards,

Peter

Hi Peter

That should be very interesting. I've heard the Orbe/SME sound fantastic, but when I borrowed one I couldn't achieve that magic - I'm just not able to set-up a suspended TT, fixed head-shell arm and cartridge myself. Well I was just about OK with a Gyro/TechnoArm.

Hence, my choice - of LP12/Ekos SE/Lingo and I know with your help it will sound fantastic when installed in my system. I have the evidence of my own ears.

Not only is the LP12 a great sounding product, but a lot of thought has gone in to making it a pleasure to use. Changing speeds was so easy because the control was a simple button on the TT rather than changing the position of a belt or fiddling around with a button on a PSU that lives on the bottom shelf of a Fraim. Also the cue on the Ekos SE was the best feeling cue I've ever experienced. Small things yes, but important to someone like me.

I love the Naim NAC and Naim kit in general because once it is set-up, all I have to do is move the volume control and occasionally change the source or press mute - it so easy to get a great sound.

ATB Rotf

Thank you all for your comments.

I live in London so am fortunate to have some excellent dealers within relatively easy reach. My Linn was serviced a couple of years ago by Oranges & Lemons when I had the DV20 fitted - it certainly came back sounding night & day better than when it went in.

Thank you for your suggestions on turntables and the phono stage - some real food for thought. What I was particularly interested in is whether forum users have used, say, an Orbe with Olive kit or only with Black. I have enjoyed my Linn for 15yrs and it works wonderfully with Olive. But, before embarking on a major upgrade I was wondering what experience others had found when moving away from the Linn with Olive.

Any further comments greatly appreciated!

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I live in London

It's really easy to get to Leicester from London!

J

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Any further comments greatly appreciated!

I have enjoyed music from my LP12 for more than 20 years and have never felt the urge to change.

Bob

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the motor used by Rega

is exactly the same as in the Sondek is it not?

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Originally posted by JeremyB:

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the motor used by Rega

is exactly the same as in the Sondek is it not?

Not sure it is exactly the same (it might be), but they are both Precision Motor Technology (Premotec) motors from Dordrecht in Holland.

Surprised no one has mention Nottingham Analogue!! I change from a Naim LP12 to a NA Hyperspace and for me the NA is considerably better. At the very least I'd suggest you give it a listen.

Recently I've also mounted an Aro on my Hyperspace using an Avid Slide. It sound pretty good to me!!! It's certainly an improvement on the Acespace arm.

Peter

Hi Peter

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Norman, precisely because and to use your terms "not necessarily benefit and might". I would like to find out, for better or perhaps for worse. Wouldn't you like to know, given how many positives you know the Keel brings to the party when partnered with the Linn arms?

Yes of course and I share your enthusiasm for embarking upon research projects and the value of a competently setup system from any manufacturer by their dealers can make substantial improvements in its performance. The effect of the Keel upon the Linn Tone-Arms is substantial, but none of them are uni-pivot designs, there being no one willing to stump up the tens of thousands pounds necessary to satisfy our curiosity and the indications that a uni-pivot design would be unlikely to benefit from Keel mounting I suspect we will never know, unless of course you would care to underwrite it personally? Perhaps the matter could be resolved by a new Aro design that would fit the existing Keel but I suspect yet another R&D project for Naim might be a little unwelcome just at the moment.

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It is in my nature to set-up, experiment with and try and extract the very maximum from any product I get my hands on. Take the Superline cartridge loading for example.

Us too, although we take a slightly different view on the research methodology and thankfully Ian is an electronics engineer so constructing different values is a relatively simple affair. I am trying to take into account the way that new product supplied by Naim improves/changes from new in what we call the burning in/warming up period; the Superline is a very low current device so this is likely to take a while to settle down, substantial changes noticed here over the early weeks. The best research is carried out of course with the minimum amount of variables, given that the Superline itself is something of a moving target we have tried to keep these variables to a minimum by conducting them on our reference system in order that the results are more meaningful. I feel your own experiments so far reveal the way that a specialist dealer with the necessary in house skills could come up eventually with an almost bespoke solution that suits the personal taste and takes into account the in-room performance of the individuals own system.

Warmest Regards

Norman
Partner - UHES

What the 'f???????

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Originally posted by craig sidwell:
What the 'f???????

Typical Aussie subtleness as usual Craig. Which charm school did you graduate from?

Gary,
He does have a point though

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Originally posted by Pete M:
Surprised no one has mention Nottingham Analogue!! I change from a Naim LP12 to a NA Hyperspace and for me the NA is considerably better. At the very least I'd suggest you give it a listen.

Recently I've also mounted an Aro on my Hyperspace using an Avid Slide. It sound pretty good to me!!! It's certainly an improvement on the Acespace arm.

Peter

Hi Peter

I'm very surprised you prefer a Nottingham Analogue deck to a Linn LP12. I used to have a SpaceDeck, but am now happily returning to the LP12.

This is such a subjective hobby.

ATB Rotf

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Typical Aussie subtleness as usual Craig. Which charm school did you graduate from?

To be honest Gary, I didn't know Aussies were typically subtle or otherwise, but life's too short to tolerate confusion.

Do you understand what he is talking about?

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Originally posted by craig sidwell:

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Typical Aussie subtleness as usual Craig. Which charm school did you graduate from?

To be honest Gary, I didn't know Aussies were typically subtle or otherwise, but life's too short to tolerate confusion.

Do you understand what he is talking about?

Craig

Aussies have a reputation for being "otherwise", but hey! as you say life's too short so let's not fall out over it!

There's a lot of comments on here that I don't understand, but I tend to just ignore them.

Gary

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Originally posted by Rodborough:

Yes of course and I share your enthusiasm for embarking upon research projects and the value of a competently setup system from any manufacturer by their dealers can make substantial improvements in its performance.

Us too, although we take a slightly different view on the research methodology and thankfully Ian is an electronics engineer so constructing different values is a relatively simple affair. I am trying to take into account the way that new product supplied by Naim improves/changes from new in what we call the burning in/warming up period; the Superline is a very low current device so this is likely to take a while to settle down, substantial changes noticed here over the early weeks. The best research is carried out of course with the minimum amount of variables, given that the Superline itself is something of a moving target we have tried to keep these variables to a minimum by conducting them on our reference system in order that the results are more meaningful. I feel your own experiments so far reveal the way that a specialist dealer with the necessary in house skills could come up eventually with an almost bespoke solution that suits the personal taste and takes into account the in-room performance of the individuals own system.

Warmest Regards

Norman
Partner - UHES

Norman,

Sorry for the delayed response, I've been a little busy soldering and setting up/playing with a variety of turntables!

I believe it is the role of any good retailer to help and try and extract the maximum performance from any product. Especially when that product's performance clearly benefits so much from set-up. Dialog between the manufacturer and any retailer interested and capable of providing good feedback is most useful in achieving the best possible results in a "real world" situation. i.e. a customer's own system.

In a typical situation dialog normally occurs between the retailer and the company representative. The representative will then consult with his/her colleagues as appropriate. However, with the Superline I have been fortunate to be able to talk to Steve Sells directly and I feel this has been most useful in making progress in achieving even more performance from the Superline with the Dynavector and Linn cartridges in particular. I too can and have made up loading plugs, as I'm quite useful with a soldering iron However, the bulk of my testing have been with values kindly provided to me by Steve and in the interest of keeping variables to the absolute minimum. I have tended to use this one source of resistors and plugs. i.e. Naim themselves in order to ensure the results are more meaningful.

As for the moving target, yes the Superline does seem to have a significant burn in period and this is why it was so useful for me to change loadings within Jon Honeyball's own system as I supplied him my very first Superline a couple of months ago. The results were perhaps suprising and certainly clear cut. A small resistive change from 470 to 453 did make a big difference to the sound and hence musical enjoyment from his system. We had found the 470 to be better than the standard 500 initilally at the time of installation, so it was nice to get things even better for Jon on my return. Certainly worth the effort here and my research continues on this one as although a value of 430R did not perform anywhere near as well, what about a loading circa 440R?

Personal taste may well play a part in deciding which loading value is best for some Superline owners (we may well also find that preferred loading also varies depending on which turntable/arm combo is being used, as well as cartridge. Or possibly whether the system being used is olive or not as the initial post on this thread refers), and I do adopt to some degree, a bespoke approach to system set-up - It works for me . However, if we can offer at least a rough guide for members who maybe for the reason of distance, don't have the opportunity to experiment with their dealer, then that has to be a good thing and I'll be satisfied with that.

Kind regards,

Peter

The WT looks stunning. Is there any info about its dimensions? That's a 10.5" arm, isn't it? Would it fit on a regular sized rack, like Fraim or Mana?

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Originally posted by willem:
The WT looks stunning. Is there any info about its dimensions? That's a 10.5" arm, isn't it? Would it fit on a regular sized rack, like Fraim or Mana?

Yes it is and it will sit on a Faim, no problem. The seperate isolation base which comes with the deck has four sorbothane feet which are removable and can be placed near the extremities of the rack or shelf for maximum stability.

I'm glad you report liking the looks as I was not so sure. What with a golf ball etc. However, one thing I cannot deny is it's sound - excellent and I look forward to looking in to this further shortly when I get one to test.

Kind regards,

Peter