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Having barely recovered from his marathon visit to Brighton, Peter has been down again, leaving just before midnight.
This time he came down with large amounts of Fraim and my 552, plus another twenty or so boxes.... The large amounts of Fraim took the best part of the morning to be assembled. Peter has developed this into an art, the intricacies of which he explained with great patience in between interruptions to scribble a press release. By the time this had been completed, we had just enough time to get all the black boxes plugged in and warming up before we rushed off for a bite to eat, aiming to ensure there would be no risk of the great man fainting during the exertions that lay ahead. The object of today's (or should that be yesterday's?) exercise was to get Peter's demo SL2s reassambled and set up (following a delay with the delivery of my own), and to then compare a 300 / active 250.2 / 500 PA at the end of the 555 / 552 system. I have done very little by way of PA comparisons in recent years and it was over a decade since I had heard an active system. In addition, I had never heard a 500, so what lay ahead was very much a mystery. The 300 I had heard in my room a few weeks ago thanks to Peter had impressed me with its detail, delicacy and autority compared to the 250.2, but I had no idea what to expect from the active 250.2 system, and postings on this forum made me wonder whether the 500 would sound overwhelming and unsubtle in a smallish (3.5 x 5 m room). Logically enough, we were both agreed that we should start off where we had finished last time round, with the 300. After a little fine tuning of the SL2s we were off and I was reminded of everything I had been so impressed by, although things were a little brighter and thinner with my 552 being new and a new spur that had been installed still not being fully "burned in". The next step was to set up the active 250.2 system, which Peter heroically did while I disappeared to walk the now very full dog, who was in desperate need of emptying. Returning some 30 or so minutes later, the improvement was so obvious that I could hear it from the hall as soon as I opened the front door. The additional clarity and separation of the instruments, greater dynamism and attack were extremely impressive. I could finally see what all the fuss about active systems was about. At the same time, the system still very much had the sonic voiceprint of the 250.2 and some of the body and tonal delicacy of the 300 was missing. During the switchover Peter and I teased each other a little about what I would end up choosing. We agreed that he would write down his prediction and seal it in a mini Jiffy bag. We had been lsitening to a mixed bag of music: Elisabeth Scwartzkopf singing Strauss' last songs (for a change!), David Bowie's Low, Antonella Ruggiero, Kubelik conducting Mahler's 5th, Bohm conducting Schubert's 8th, Gorecki's 3rd, Yaron on the Naim recording of the Devil's Trill, Perhaia playing Beethoven's 17th and 23rd sonatas. Out of a misguided impression that I should be listening for dynamics and scale, I initially chose large orchestral works to listen for pizzicato, the scale and breath of massed strings and so on... I say misguided because what really suprised me with the 500 was the sheer delicacy and tonal accuracy of the "beast", its ability to separate everything out so clearly and with such unwavering stability, and its ability to bring out details that were not previously perceptible. In many ways the differences I heard were more the sort of thing I would have expected from a pre-amp than a power amp. I was sold on this amp after the first few bars of Schwartzkopf singing the 4th Strauss song. Everything else both confirmed my choice and continued to amaze me. Scale, yes; authority, yes; dynamics, yes; but poise, delicacy, detail, flow and sheer musicality, too. This was an amp I thought would impress me. I didn't expect to be so moved. So there's another piece of the jigsaw in place, and I'm delighted. It's taken me over 30 years to get here since I saved for my first "proper" amp, and boy is this a nice place to arrive. Thank you Naim and thank you Peter. The man's dedication has to be seen to be believed. The same goes for his patience. He wouldn't give a thing a way. He let me listen my own way, but sure enough what was written on the scrap of paper but 500? His dedication to getting absolutely every aspect of the setup just right so that I could hear precisely what every part was doing, that was equally impressive. A the same time and as the cherry on the cake, in some ways the big smiley jaw-dropper of the day was the subsequent addition of an empty shelf below the 552 - this has to go alongside the Hi-Line as my most ludicrous suprise of the year. That 4 inches of air and a "wire" can make such a difference to clarity, delicacy and tonal accuracy simply make me laugh.... So there you go, I'm a happy bunny. We've got a few more experiments to go, but we're nearly there. I suppose it's comical really. Man buys top-of-the-line gear and smiles... Big surprise, eh? While waiting for the new bits to arrive, I still got a great deal of pleasure from my CDX / 55PS / 202 / Hi-Cap / NAPSC / 200 / Ariva system. But this is simply stunning, and there's no way I can pretend that my musical enjoyment isn't very substantially enhanced. The great thing about this stuff is that as much as it all looks like some altar to black box technology with the only thing missing being a hand-scuplted billet aluminium Buddha on the top, as soon as I put a CD on it all just disappears. It's just me and the music. Especially since Peter was kind enough to leave me with his demo 555 head unit until mine finally comes through. May the M25 smile on his tyres as the Volvo takes him safely home. Cheers Mike |
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Thanks Mike for sharing with us such an interesting account, and congratulations on being the owner of a Super System set up and fine tuned by a Super person.
Joe |
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Hey Peter
What about some visits to the good old US of A? Gregg |
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Nice on Michael,
Hope you didn't mind my text message then return phone call - spooky that it happened whilst you both were taking a break! So, you went passive 500 rather than active 250.2's... some would say obvious but still a v interesting demo... look forwards to meeting you soon, after i've finished my studying (will e-mail to discuss) regards andy c! |
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Hi Andy!
Absolteluiy no problem wit the message. As you say, came just as we had finished parking near the restaurant. of course the message about 250 clinched the 500 deciions. Couldn;t bear to think of you doing without Look forward to meeting you and your better half, too, maybe. I believe there is much we could disucss about Italy.... Cheers Mike |
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Hi Guys
Michael thank you for writing such an in depth and amusing piece about our day, and thank you for being such an excellent host - A really great day. I see you were still up at 1:00am Anyway, I'll write more later when properly awake...... suffice to say the M25 was a dream!!!!!!! and no I wasn't sleeping at the wheel Hi Joe, as you know, I've been busy in recent months. However, I'm hatching a plan to visit Michael with his 500, but rather than drive the 135 miles home I might drive the 20 miles to Gatwick and jump on a plane to see you Andy, as you now gather, I will have a 250 for you on Saturday! Kind regards, Peter |
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Mike - you're using a CDX (not CDX2) with a 555PS? Wow! Good?
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Hi Rupert, I Was using a CDX with 555PS. A very noticeable improvement in dynamics and stability, especially in the base. Some impriovement in clarity, too. The switch from XPS to 555PS was not as great as from naked CDX to CDX+XPS, though. Cheers Mike |
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So what was in the jiffy bag? |
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Mike
I'm really pleased it's worked out so well for you. We'll be over soon............. Nigel |
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Michael, It could be also that what you heard had a lot to do with the 552 and the 555, IMO it takes months to get use to what those beasts can achieve and to appreciate the enormous potential of those 2 Naim star gears. For sure you are just starting a stunning ride Thanks for the great report Michael, Enjoy your great system, Regards, Edouard |
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NAP500 PB. Because in the context of a comparison with a NAP300 and an active NAP250 set-up that was what I would go for.....Michael agreed. The scale of the improvements were quite a nice suprise for Michael However, in terms of VFM the extra Fraim made Michael laugh! I think his words went something allong the lines of: "that's silly!!!!!".... TTFN. Peter |
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Thought so Well done both on an excellent thread, I will be back with some more positive comments after work. Michael, email me please on nigelball.nb@virgin.net, Regards PB |
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Hi Edouard, Agreed about that. I would never have ended parting with this amount of cash without what the 552 adds to a system, but the 500 is also something special. What it adds in delicacy, tonal accuracy, clarity, steadiness and separation vs. 555 + 552 with 300 or 252.2 active really surprised me. It was not something I had expected from a PA. Whether it could have done this with a different front end is course another matter Cheers Mike |
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Just give me the dates and I'll arrange everything that I need to on my end. Just can't wait regards, Joe |
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Very grateful, but am deciding my cds3 and ears have woken up from a bit of a dull slumber. Have been suffering with em a while, but they are workng fine now - hence the resolving of the high freqs! Hopefully Peter will remember the other big box! PS - Shel will have plenty to discuss with you re Italy, as well you know!!! |
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Michael,
Great post and congrats on a super system purchased I'm sure you will have many happy years. We have very similar systems, the only difference being speakers. Would love to hear a well set up pair of SL2s in the context of a full 500 system. If I ever get down to Brighton you could may-be do me the honours. All the best. Sean. |
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Hi Sean,
I'd certainly be up for a meet. I'm sure we'd have plenty to chat about, since I'm an ex-climber and also a biker. What's your system, 500 aside? Cheers Mike |
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Hi Michael,
Could you just elaborate a bit more on the differences heard between the power amps. What was the difference between the 2 x 250's compared to the 500. You certainly have an excellent system now which I hope you enjoy for many years. You have taken a huge rise up the Naim ladder and its time to let things settle down for a few months, regards PB |
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