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Originally posted by pcstockton:
If i am understanding correctly.

The proper choices are then either a Fraim, or a very cheap bedside table?

It seems there must be some middle ground. Especially for those that already have a "decent" rack.

I spent $200 on a Salamander Archetype.

It has Veneered MDF Shelves, which are drilled with holes larger than the threaded poles that support the rack, so they dont touch. Then each shelf has rubber gaskets between the nut/washer and the shelf. Im sure this performs some degree of isolation. The whole rack rests on spikes... etc...

I KNOW a fraim wold be FAR better. But I think this would outperform an endtable.


If you didnt enter value into the equation, considering most of us have already bought something, the Archetype is a good rack???


If buying new, without any existing rack, I get the Corra suggestion. But you cant be alleging that the Corra is better than a Mana, or a Salamander etc.....

What was that stuff Russ Andrews used to sell in the mid eighties? Began with a 'T', used to cost an arm and a leg...Ikea stuff is like a cheap version of that...more by fault than design it happens to work well with hifi gear...mass production means low prices...

Middle ground I guess would be Isoblue, Hutter,perhaps sound org, target, throw Mana and other less well known supports into the mix and I guess you have covered it...That performance / price sliding scale always points me towards spending the pennies first on the equipment...
 
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Dear PC,

What is said to be better is sometimes simply different. The actual performance of subtle electronic replay pieces is altered audibly depending what they sit on, and if this alteration is towards the taste of the listener concerned then he or she is apt to say that the result is an improvement. I use stacked IKEA Lack tables with [currently absent] isolation platforms between the tables and the electronics.

I did make a write up on the developments of ideas that led by no accident to what I have now, which I could hunt out if you are interested. I am sure my racks are less good than very expensive ones, but certainly far better than several cheapo ones I can think of. No names will be mentioned by me in a derogatory fashion!

George
 
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I just received it yesterday, and listened to CDs for a couple hours last night, but so far, the results are very promising. The characteristics I've noticed so far-- increased speed, focus and detail. The change is actually wonderful-- but sometimes, when changes like this are made, they don't sound so wonderful the second day-- so I'll see what tonight brings.


I would be very interested in a follow-up of your 2nd experiences...still wonderful???

I too am thinking of a nice platform for the CD5x until I get a FRAIM.... Winker
 
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What was that stuff Russ Andrews used to sell in the mid eighties? Began with a 'T', used to cost an arm and a leg...


Torlyte, or something like that, not sure of the spelling!
 
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Oh, and he still does, and it still does!
 
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I don't have a TT BTW, as I know these require very careful isolation.


Well, my LP12 with standard rubber feet is sitting on a standard metal PHONOSOPHIE rack and it sounds bloody wonderful.

Bob
 
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George,
I would love to read it...

I have a 4 shelf Archetype.

I would love to improve it in any way possible.

I have on order, 4 slabs of black marble that are cut to fit perfectly on the shelf, and are isolated with three installed speaker spikes.

what else might anyone suggest?

 
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Torlyte, or something like that, not sure of the spelling!


My experience is that Torlyte and Sorbothane don't seem to be suited to Naim. It robs the deep bass area and seems to muck up the timing.
It's a shame, there is nothing wrong with these products but they are just not compatable with Naim. Kimber Kable also seems to be in the same category.

Bob
 
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Dear PC,

I have found the old thread. It comes from the olden days when I had a forum alias, though you may note that it was only a semi!

There thread is three pages long, and my most significant post on it is just more than half way down page two, where I discuss materials, but it is all worth a read, especially for the contributions of others. I would be surprised if you like the look, but it works well, and has not been significantly altered in about five years except for using better isolation shelves, in place of the MDF ones you can see in the photos.

http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4801938...=278104703#278104703

ATB from George [Fredrik Fiske] J
 
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George,

I DO like the look of your rack. Very nice.

I am doing something very similar, that is when I get my marble slabs I ordered. Except I will have spikes instead of balls.

I have had the slabs made with a threaded insert to accept the 3 speaker spikes.

I will post a picture when It is all together.
 
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Dear PC,

If you use IKEA Lack tables, EINAs or CORRAS, then be careful facing the spikes downwards. The surface veneer is quite thin and the construction is hollow with reinforcement, so the spikes might go straight through.

I think the secret of the success of the IKEA construction [for the resultant good sounds] is that it is both light and rigid. You may need some coins, Fraim Chips or some variant, which are designed to stop speaker spikes sinking into wooden floors.

Certainly I don't mind the look for the results are pleasing enough on the music, but not everyone holds my view!

There is an EINA Thread further down the page, which looks promissing for something more conservative looking!

George
 
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George,
I am going to continue to use my Salamander. I am only adding the marble isolated shelves into the mix.

Given how your rack is constructed, I expect mine to give satisfying results.
 
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Dear PC,

Some pictures would be interesting when it is all together.

George
 
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George,

Will do... I should have the marble slabs by the end of the week.

It will look exactly as the above picture. But black shelves (not cherry), and black marble slabs.

thanks!
-Patrick
 
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Interesting stuff; thanks guys.

So, seeing as a few people now have said that sorbothane and Naim don't mix, what could I replace the sorbothane feet with that would improve it? Has anyone tried those Pulsar Points?

Oh, and does every piece of equipment sound different when properly isolated, or is the effect on CDP's far greater than with pre-amps and power amps?
 
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I mailed James from TomTom-audio...

He would sell a FRAIM-glass-shelf and the balls + bearings...

How would this sound on a Corras/EINA?

Someone tried this already???

FRAIM-top-shelf on Corras/EINA?
 
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Someone tried this already???


munch I believe.
 
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If the cost of the Fraim is too dear (and it is for me), there are many other options more advanced than the "bedside table." I went with a Quadraspire several years ago and have been pleased. More recently, Hutter and Isoblue tend to be the racks used most frequently with Naim (other than the Fraim). Of course, looks can be important, which may limit your options.

Mike
 
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It has Veneered MDF Shelves, which are drilled with holes larger than the threaded poles that support the rack, so they dont touch. Then each shelf has rubber gaskets between the nut/washer and the shelf. Im sure this performs some degree of isolation. The whole rack rests on spikes... etc...


My cdx2 likes 18mm veneered mdf shelves. This material brings the best out of my cdp.
 
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hi folks - I've had pretty good results with Clearlight Audio RDC cones - size 2 and 5, all on RDC cups, sat under a glass shelf onto a wooden set of IKEA Ivar Shelves (through lack floor space for a dedicated rack - not out of choice) and they certainly sound better than the Naim boxes placed directly onto the wooden shelf. I have some 10mm perspex acrylic on order to try that as an alternative to the glass shelves so i'll report back on that when its placed in situ.

By the way - has anyone tried the ultra expensive Finite Elemente Pagode or their more modest Spider range of kit supports?

K
 
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