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I would like advice and experience of forum members on this.
Many thanks, Bob |
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Probably the Linn T cable....
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Prefix.
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Until the arrival of the Superline! Does this open the opportunity for Naim to make a Hiline arm cable? |
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Another vote for T-Kable from me.
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Julian, I do believe that is on the way but don't tell anyone I said so.  Dean.. Nobody should get too excited about this "product" as it does not exist and there are no plans to produce such an item. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Adam Meredith, |
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Funny man!   Mind you there are alot about second-hand at the moment. The switch to the T-Kable is very worthwhile. Speaking from a dealer installation point of view, the cable being larger and heavier means dressing of the cable is less straightforward and one needs to use the new black P-Klip and not the older larger white one. So please check this with your dealer as if he's had it in stock for a while and has the white P-Klip in the kit.........! The new black P-Klip is slightly smaller than the white it replaces, so it fits better within the deck and it grips the cable better too, so a nice improvement over the old one IMHO. FYI the P-clip you will have I guess, is the older smaller type, which is no longer supplied on new decks. One now should get a black P-Klip with two inserts: one for use with the T-Kable and one for use with the Akito or older Ekos/Ittok cables. By the way, for those considering a Superline in future, the T-Kable comes with some really nice RCA plugs. However, it is possible to fit the standard BNC plug as supplied by Naim if you so wish.... Kind regards, Peter |
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http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4801938...382948317#8382948317 |
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A very good idea - if done correctly. |
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Many thanks for all your replies.
I have opted for a tone-arm cable from Ringmat, this was made to order with BNC cables fitted. The fitting of the cable posed no problems (including the P-clip) and did not appear to affect the 'bounce'. The sound is, in a word, wonderful and has enhanced our enjoyment of the music via records. Again, many thanks to all. Bob |
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Apologies, that was meant to read 'BNC connectors fitted. Bob |
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Hi Dean Probably a bit late for all us Superline early adopters who had Prefii then! Mines a T-Kable with BNC's; thankyou Peter Julian |
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Hi Dean,
I will be hearing it the day it turns up next week. Julians system sounds great as it is now. I am looking forward to hearing the Superline on it. Munch |
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Not in my experience. I saw one a couple of weeks ago which held the cable in a loose and totally sloppy way. Not the way I was told many years ago, was required .After speaking to the 'powers that be' I was informed that many of the early types were 'faulty'. This was a fairly current unit (6-12 months old), how long has this new type P clip been out? And what's to stop you using an old type that holds the cable firmly? The T Cable is only slightly thicker than an Aro's leads, isn't it? Craig |
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Normally I would have left a "rumour" in. In this instance it could/had affected the confidence with which customers with Prefixes could decide upon the required arm cable for use with the SuperLine. As such - it was unhelpful, or, more strongly, damaging. I rang Salisbury and checked whether there could be such a development. "Not even on the radar" was the reply. |
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I saw a little improvisation from a creative mind once that involved slicing the plastic inner part of the new black P-clip in half with a knife. Then when the two halves come together they get a tight grip on the cable... Chris. |
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Thanks Chris  Ok...... Craig, as I said. I didn't like the white P-Klip either. The fit was loose and it was too big. However, the black P-Klip was and is an improvement. And yes, I did still modify it (and just like the white one before it), as Chris has mentioned, in order to get what I call a satisfactory grip on the arm cable. However, you will be pleased to know that there is now a new version of the black P-Klip where the inner part is in two halves anyway.  The two halves can be attached to the cable and then two small elastic O rings now hold them in place, the whole assembly is then clamped within the outer part of the P-Klip and now I feel at last we have a really good cable fixing. - This has been available for only a couple of months to my knowledge.Importantly, and why I don't use the old style P-clip, is the fact that the T-Kable does not react particularly well to the 90 degree twist (set) one needs to put in it in order for it to exit through the old P-clip (it's okay for the original thinner arm cable and just about acceptable for the Aro, but not a T-Kable). Anyway, the P-Klip allows for horizontal exit hence less possibility of affecting the the suspension which has to be a good thing when one is aiming for zero affect on the suspension by the arm cable anyway! I hope this fully answers everything for you Kind regards, Peter |
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Hi Peter,
Hope you are well. At the risk of sounding like a Linn turntable set up wankers club, a few things; The P clip I 'm talking about is black not white, and how come you've got to modify the innards to hold the cable tight??? The P clips (old and new) tighten or open toward the front of the TT and parallel with the wiring strap, right? The arm cable exits the rear of the TT, meaning that the cable has a bend at right angles, through the slot in the plinth, regardless of the cable? The other thing is that, (assuming that the T Cable fits) regardless of the innards or 'modifications' to, the variable ratcheting system of the original will allow more secure clamping than the new type which has no adjustment to the outer. Anyway I'm hoping to receive a new one to play with soon. All the best, Craig |
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Knackered mate  need a holiday!.... Something to do with the changes on April 1st... I know you are talking about the black, but the news is as I say above, there are two black ones now!!! The original black was an improvement on the white, but in my humble opinion worked better after my modifications as Chris mentioned above. The new, new black one with the insert now in two pieces rather than the one C shape to which you refer. So, if you like, Linn's R&D have came to the same conclusion over the inserts as I did last summer.
The new, new black one is held far tighter than before, but I would have like to have had some ratcheting on it too personally. As for:
Yes, it can always be a bit of a struggle and can pre-load the P-Klip thus causing movement if one's not careful, so I tend to take a slightly longer route for internal dressing thus allowing for a less fierce right angled bend, and of course this is where I now put the 90 degree gradual twist in the T-Kable so it can exit the rear slot (so after the P-Klip, rather than the 90 degree twist adjacent to the plug as before with the old cable and original P-clip arrangement). Ok so you loose a little length on the cable... maybe 4-5cm but this is not ordinarily a problem overall, length wise. I hate putting sharp bends in cables whatever they are! As you say, this sounds a bit like "Linn turntable set up wankers club"! Maybe it should be on the Trade part of the Forum, (forgive me Adam )but there are few DIY-ers out there reading, and as I doubt any of this is covered in any of the set up guides just yet. It gives them an idea of what's involved and why it's a good idea to let their dealer sort out their deck for them!I'm awaiting more of the new, new black P-Klips and I'll take a picture and post it so everyone then knows what the I'm going on about! Back to work now..... Kind regards, Peter |
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Any more news on this? My dealer didn't know anything about it, but that's no surprise here in the US!
Keith |
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