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quote: Originally posted by joe90:
DBLs are worth it. If you like what they do.
I think you'll be throwing good money after bad trying to add subs - to me they only increase the quantity of sound, not the quality.
In big open-plan rooms I feel that it is good to focus on the immediate listening area only, as the rapidly reducing sound pressure over distance is nigh impossible to compensate for.
So the question is, what size is the immediate listening area?
Sure, DBLs are no doubt fantastic speakers. I have also heard good words about the Dynaudio Contour S3.4 or S5.4 at much lower price tags. Regarding the listening area, as mentioned previously it is ~500 sq. ft. |
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| Posts: 168 | Location: San Francisco, CA | Registered: Mon 29 August 2005 |  |
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Width and length?
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quote: Originally posted by joe90:
Width and length?
I guess roughly 20 ft (width) x 25 ft (length) by visual inspection since I do not have the house plan handy (never thought I would need it). Btw, given the inputs from you guys and my local Naim dealer my mind is very much set on the N-Sub or the Dynaudio Contour. It will of course depend on my actual listening tests at my own home. |
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| Posts: 168 | Location: San Francisco, CA | Registered: Mon 29 August 2005 | |
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Given the space of your room and if you want to fill the room with a sufficient bass, out of the current Naim speakers, the DBL is the only one that can do it.
Too bad, your dealer can't home demo along with the Dynaudio speakers and certainly a 500 will give you wider range of speaker choices to your taste.
The Dyna + N-sub will not sound terrible. Not as fun as the Naim speakers, tho.
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quote: Originally posted by kuma:
They Dyna + N-sub will not sound terrible. Not as fun as the Naim speakers, tho.
You are right, DBLs are my best bet but I would not feel comfortable spending ~$34,000 + sales tax on a pair of speakers, especially we are planing to move to another place within one or two years. Life is full of compromises and one has to accept it. And don't guess me wrong, SBLs still give me reasonably good bass but they do not scale right on certain recordings. |
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| Posts: 168 | Location: San Francisco, CA | Registered: Mon 29 August 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by imperialline:
And don't guess me wrong...
Apologies - it should be read as "pls. do not get me wrong...". It must be Friday! Anyway, I am very grateful for all the advices, these will save me some troubles and time going down the wrong path. |
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| Posts: 168 | Location: San Francisco, CA | Registered: Mon 29 August 2005 | |
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Hi Imperialline
Your room to us metriculators is around 7m x 8m.
In my experience the room isn't that 'big', even if you have a high stud.
More medium IMO.
Anyways, I reckon SL2s would work a treat in that area, and I would forget about trying to get a speaker that fills the extra sections of the room. I think it's a lost cause and you'll never get there, no matter how much you spend (short of a stadium PA rig).
SL2s are quite a bit bigger sounding than SBLs (btw a friend of mine has a pair of SBLs so I know them reasonably well), and a lot more capable in all respects.
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quote: Originally posted by joe90:
Hi Imperialline
Your room to us metriculators is around 7m x 8m.
In my experience the room isn't that 'big', even if you have a high stud.
More medium IMO.
Anyways, I reckon SL2s would work a treat in that area, and I would forget about trying to get a speaker that fills the extra sections of the room. I think it's a lost cause and you'll never get there, no matter how much you spend (short of a stadium PA rig).
SL2s are quite a bit bigger sounding than SBLs (btw a friend of mine has a pair of SBLs so I know them reasonably well), and a lot more capable in all respects.
Thanks Joe90. I would of course consider all possibilities if I can. One of the advantages of living in the Bay Area is that there are lots of choices for speakers within the $10,000 price range but the big disadvantage is that it is (almost) impossible to get a home demo. |
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Since you've moved recently, I would think the first thing to check is whether the SBL's are properly set-up. Are the seals correct, etc.
Second, I personally don't think any harm would be done by trying the HSU sub. If you don't like it, all you will be out is the shipping costs and the cost of an interconnect. You'll need a 4 pin to RCA interconnect to run from the 'hi-cap to the sub but you can get that from any Naim dealer.
When Adam advises "you consider the present cost of your system and budget accordingly for a sub with multiple inputs and adjustable cut-off frequency, volume, phase, etc" he is right, of course. But the HSU has multiple inputs, adustable cut-off frequency, volume, phase, etc." It doesn't cost as much as an NSub, but it probably would if it were made in England, distributed through NANA in the U.S. and sold through dealers. So I think the cost/features issue is a non-issue.
My hunch is that the Hsu will sound a little slow compared to the rest of the system but that's just a hunch. REL is of course another alternative. And one that doesn't get talked about much is Vandersteen's. On paper, it appeals to me inasmuch as it uses three 8 inch woofers which offers the possiblity of speed with considerable bass output.
I don't think the SL2 is a very cost effective option in the U.S. right now. But that's not Naim's fault.
My $.02.
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quote: Originally posted by Jim Bailey:
Since you've moved recently, I would think the first thing to check is whether the SBL's are properly set-up. Are the seals correct, etc.
Second, I personally don't think any harm would be done by trying the HSU sub. If you don't like it, all you will be out is the shipping costs and the cost of an interconnect. You'll need a 4 pin to RCA interconnect to run from the 'hi-cap to the sub but you can get that from any Naim dealer.
When Adam advises "you consider the present cost of your system and budget accordingly for a sub with multiple inputs and adjustable cut-off frequency, volume, phase, etc" he is right, of course. But the HSU has multiple inputs, adustable cut-off frequency, volume, phase, etc." It doesn't cost as much as an NSub, but it probably would if it were made in England, distributed through NANA in the U.S. and sold through dealers. So I think the cost/features issue is a non-issue.
My hunch is that the Hsu will sound a little slow compared to the rest of the system but that's just a hunch. REL is of course another alternative. And one that doesn't get talked about much is Vandersteen's. On paper, it appeals to me inasmuch as it uses three 8 inch woofers which offers the possiblity of speed with considerable bass output.
I don't think the SL2 is a very cost effective option in the U.S. right now. But that's not Naim's fault.
My $.02.
Hey Jim, I think you read my mind, except that I do not have a HiCap, I have a SC with 252 and I have checked and checked my SBLs. I know that the large listening room and the flimsy walls are the culprit(s). Best regards, ImperialLine |
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