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Hi everyone,

Lately the vinyl-bug has bitten me.
So, the last couple o'days I'm hunting down
HiFi stores and s/h-ads on the internet to find
me a decent TT to start with.
Now, since I don't owm many LP's anymore, (about 30 I guess)I thought it would be wise to buy me
something simple and affordable (300-400 UKP range)
Now, I remember a dealer in my neighbourhood
who has/had a "Revolver" turntable. (see pic.)

I's almost (about 75 UKP cheaper) in the same price range as a Rega P3.
Is there anybody outhere who knows this turntable or can tell me if it's in the same leaque as a P3?
(the Revolver does look better than the Rega)

Greetings from Holland,
Alco

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Posts: 2796 | Location: Assen,Holland | Registered: Sun 15 October 2000Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Alco,
Many years ago now I was inroduced to hifi by a friend who had a system that consisted of a Revolver, Nad 3020e, and JPW P1s. FRom what I remember it was a very musical system and it used to annoy me that in many ways it was better than my system that had cost more money and was fronted by a Linn Axis. So I would say yes it is in the same league as a Planar 3 and if you can get it for a good price then go for it. My only concern would be that the deck may be quite old now because I don't think they have made them for a few years. Spares may also be a problem. BTW you can also upgrade the Revolver by replacing the arm with a Linn one since they use the same template.
John

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Posts: 1273 | Location: London, England | Registered: Mon 31 July 2000Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Thanks for your reply, John.

I found out that the Revolver Turntable must
be about 12 years old now.
Last year I could demo it at home. I wasn't impressed really, but the dealer sait that is was
beacause of the standard.cheap AT cartridge that was included on this TT.
I could get the TT for 1000,- Dutch guilders.
(290 UKP)
Would a Rega arm also fit on this deck ?

 
Posts: 2796 | Location: Assen,Holland | Registered: Sun 15 October 2000Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Hi Alco,

A friend of mine had a Revolver turntable and had a few problems with pitch instability, so make sure it plays at a constant speed.

Also, I picked up a Linn LP12 last year with Valhalla supply and basik arm for £350. The deck is a late 80's model in black ash. It may be worth keeping your eyes open for a deal like this.

Best wishes,

Mick Dale

 
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Alco--

If the Rega 3 is within your budget than buy that in preference to the Revolver. The Revolver was a good table but more competitive with a Rega 2. Also, since Rega is still around you won't have to worry about replacement parts or service.

Cheers and good luck !

Bob+

 
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Really liked it
mine had the linn basik arm and at95 cartridge--the later ones had a cheaper platter and a revolver badged ?inferior mission arm.
Had great rythm--the motor was deliberatly not isolated from the top plinth--but the plinth was tuned till it sounded good by 2 lead wts hanging off the back.
Fantastic musical midrange but bass and treble extension limited.
Was great with my old rotel 820BX amp(a classic) but when I went for an s/h 42.5/110--it sounded so limitedat the freq. extremes--?would be improved by a better cartridge.

Many preferred it to a rega P3(I did I liked in ya face presentation through my upfront heybrook HB1's)--?more musical with a budget amp(rega can sound cold/over controlled)--But not in the same league for detail and dynamics.Regawill be much better with midrange amps + fantastic arm will cope with any cartridge thrown at it(an upgrade route)--unlike the basik or revolver arm(also ? more fragile+worn out).

Cheers Richard

PS old LP12/basik+ arm can be got for £200-250 in the UK--add a £20 cartridge and your ears will be on another planet.--even an un tuned lp12 sounds better than a rega P3--? stretch to nirvana.
PPs plinth would need drilling +filling for a rega arm

[This message was edited by Richard Paget on SUNDAY 07 January 2001 at 16:55.]

[This message was edited by Richard Paget on SUNDAY 07 January 2001 at 16:57.]

 
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Bob,

It was the Revolver Rebel that was the contempory of the Planar 2. The Revolver deck was definitely Revolver's equivalent of the Planar 3.

Very nicely styled turntables, sadly no more - I believe the company unsuccessfully moved into loudspeakers.

Andrew

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Thanx, guys.

Well, I think I'll wait a while and look around
for other TT's on the net and in stores.
I know there are many s/h LP12's for sale in the
UK. Unfortunatly, I live in Holland and it's
very hard to find a s/h Linn LP12 around here.
(let alone for the low prices they go for in the UK)

I afraid to order a s/h LP12 from a UK dealer and
let is sent to Holland. (to risky, I think..)

Too bad that the P3 looks like shit.(IMHO)

O,well. we'll see what it's gonna be..
I think a little patience here might be rewarding

 
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Thanx, guys.

Well, I think I'll wait a while and look around
for other TT's on the net and in stores.
I know there are many s/h LP12's for sale in the
UK. Unfortunatly, I live in Holland and it's
very hard to find a s/h Linn LP12 around here.
(let alone for the low prices they go for in the UK)

I afraid to order a s/h LP12 from a UK dealer and
let is sent to Holland. (to risky, I think..)

Too bad that the P3 looks like shit.(IMHO)

O,well. we'll see what it's gonna be..
I think a little patience here might be rewarding

 
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Actually, I reckon the P3 looks good - particularly if you choose the 'kermit green' colour.

Also it kind of has a good solidty to it.

Andrew

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Andrew--

Thanks for the gentle correction--I had spaced on the Rebel. I still he think he is better off with a Rega--if only because parts are and will be available and it doesn't sound like the price differential is nearly big enough.

Cheers,

Bob

 
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Alco,

quote:
Now, since I don't own many LP's anymore, (about 30 I guess) I thought it would be wise to buy me something simple and affordable (300-400 UKP range)

It's good to hear you have been bitten by the vinyl bug. I could think of much worse afflictions. Whilst I understand that you don't want to spend a great deal of money right now on a TT, I'm sure you still want value for money. Part of that deal is serviceability, which is available from Rega but not Revolver.

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I afraid to order a s/h LP12 from a UK dealer and let is sent to Holland. (to risky, I think..)

If you specified an LP12 that has its original boxes and is packed properly, it will not be damaged enroute to Holland. I'm sure the dealer can arrange transit insurance if you want to be extra sure. Enough has been written about the LP12 to make it a legend 25 times over. However, in relation to your original choices, the LP12 can be left in Basik configuration (which will be better than either Rega or Revolver) or upgraded over time to the full monty, which will make better music than any CD player bar none.

Do take your time and find something you like. Best wishes on you search. Could a forum member in the UK assist with your hunt?

James

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Thanx for the advice, James.

Well, what I find so spooky about buying something
(unseen) on the internet is:
- A (s/h) TT is a delicate piece op equipment. So
I just have to believe the dealers word, since
I would have to order it blindly.
- How do I have to pay ?
(don't own a visa/creditcard)
- Can it be sent to me and that I pay for it when
I recieve it ? (in Holland that's called "rembours")
- How long does it normally take to get a TT (or whatever) from UK to Holland ?

(...Hope my English is good enough)

Thanx for all the help,

Greetings,
Alco.

 
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Alco,

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A (s/h) TT is a delicate piece op equipment. So I just have to believe the dealers word, since I would have to order it blindly.

Look for a trusted dealer and seek the opinions of your fellow forum members. I'd offer dealerships to you but I don't live in the UK. Alternatively, you might want to take a holiday in London and look around yourself. I bought some Mana sight unseen by mail order a few months ago, and had no problems with delivery. In fact, 2 of the glass shelves were chipped and I had those replaced without cost by the shippers.

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How do I have to pay ? (don't own a visa/creditcard) Can it be sent to me and that I pay for it when I recieve it ? (in Holland that's called "rembours")

Most UK dealers will happily accept a bank cheque issued in GBP. But I doubt they will send you something on a COD basis. No harm asking though. Some courier companies may be able to act as their collector.

James

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As an ex P3 owner I'd say the the Revolver was just as good when fitted with a decent arm - not the the Mission 774LC it is often partnered with.

However, I have a really, really soft spot for the P3, regarding it as the vinyl spinning bargain of the century. It's a very safe buy as Rega, and their decks will be around for ever (I hope).

A used Linn LP12 can seem an attractive buy but please remember to include the cost of a full service - most old Linns need one and this can add £100 to the bill.
If you have the cash or you know the Linn to be in tip-top condition it is by far the better the deck.

Rob.

 
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Howdee,
I upgraded from my revolver in 1990 with linn basik lvx arm(see above)----to a very dodgy Lp12--it had been painted black long b4 black was available(for a BBC drama)--
(i'm just so cutting edge sometimes)being a student it didn't get a service for years--and was very unbouncy.(I resisted the temptation to paint on technicolor flowers--ahhh students)
But even in this state of repair with Basik plus arm it was not in the same postcode as the revolver--huge improvement.
A service several yrs later made a big difference again though.
People make huge comments on how fiddly the lp12 is....
BUT
its a upper midprice deck(new) available for a bargain S/H(although old Afromosa looks awful)
Untuned it sounds upper midprice deck(thus still good value)
People moan that it takes a £50-100 service to get it sounding better than nearly every deck on the planet(most far more expensive).

Go for an Lp12 if you can--as long as the bearing is good and the top plate not too bent.
Regardo from Ricardo

 
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as long as the bearing is good and the top plate not too bent.

But bear in mind that the top plate is supposed to be a bit bent to make the whole structure more rigid; so don't expect to find a completely flat one ( unless some of the older ones were made this way?).

How bent is too bent, Richard?

All the best,

David

 
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David
You're right the lp12 top plate is made too big on purpose for self damping and should have a slight bend across its free edge(along the arm board)
If the chassis bolts have been overtightened however the top plate can lift off from intimate contact with the plinth--tapping the edge of the top plate should be dull--it rings a bit where it has lifted.
esp. a problem near the motor--latest lp12's have an extra bolt brased on underneath to make it more resistant to dealer abuse!
The older ones I have seen tend to dip a bit around the chassis bolts also.
The sub platter with the belt off should take a very long time to stop after being spun if the bearing and oil are good.

cheerio Richard

 
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