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After a delay of a week or so my Hutter tables finally arrived on Friday from Austria. The tables were ordered from a dealer in Vienna, mainly because the price they were offering was something like a third less than the UK dealers. Most of the ordering process was done by email and the dealer speaks perfect English so it was generally very straight forward. The tables were a custom order in copper beech. I didn't go for the standard size because I think that they are slightly too large for Naim. My tables are 500mm wide and 400mm deep with standard height 50mm Nickel spacers. Shown in the picture are the four Racktime basic tables, 2 for me and 2 for Tim Oldridge, that I ordered. The outer packaging is pretty large because it is designed for the standard 600mm tables. I could just about pick up each package of two tables, they were heavy, but not extraordinarily so.
John [This message was edited by John Channing on SUNDAY 24 December 2000 at 14:04.] |
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About an hour after the tables arrived at my place Tim came to collect his. First we took them out of the large outer box so that they were just in the internal packaging. This unfortunately did not fit in Tim's car, so we had to strip off all of the packaging so that there was just the cardboard inserts that separated each shelf. Remarkably we managed to squeeze both tables in the boot of his sports cars and he got them safely home without any damage.
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After taking the tables out of the packaging I thought can I be bothered to set them up when I am going out tonight and leaving tomorrow morning for christmas at my parents? It was about 4pm in the afternoon and I wasn't sure whether I could be bothered with all that leveling and tuning and trying to move "live" equipment about given that I didn't have time to go through the warm up cycle. But hey, this is Hutter not Mana, the set up is easy and it works straight away with no tuning required! So I started setting up after first throwing the instructions in the bin, which were no use to me anyway since they were in German. First I put the base down and leveled it. The nuts I did up finger tight, because the tables will be moved in the new year when the Christmas tree goes. Then I looked at the main part of the table. If I put the spikes on first then each new level I added I would push the spikes harder into the base so I decided to build the whole table first without spikes and then lower it onto the base. Remember each shelf is pushed onto it connecting rods so each time I added another shelf I would have been pressing on the spikes. This worked pretty except that the table is then quite heavy and locating the spikes in the little wholes that they are intended to sit in was quite tricky. Both tables were built and the kit installed in under an hour without any problems at all. My only disappoint was that I did not have a set of spikes for the isolation base so this is standing on the rounded feet provided. When the kit is placed in its final resting place I will get some spikes, but for now it will do. I must also say that the fit and finish of the tables is flawless, they really do look superb and anyone who thinks that this stuff looks like Ikea needs their eyes tested!
Ok, so what does it sound like? Well previously I was using an Appollo table (shown in the first picture) which is a standard steel and MDF Target style stand. This table is probably not great, but I know from my own experiments that a CDX placed on this stand sounds miles better than the CDX places directly on the wooden floor. From the very first note though it was obvious that the Hutter was a massive improvement. There was a very noticeable increase in bandwidth at both ends and the amount of detail coming out of the speakers had increased enormously. This effect was not subtle, but huge, it wasn't the kind of thing that needed an A-B comparison to determine it was just so obvious. The treble in particular sounded totally different, far more extended with much more harmonic texture. I have to admit that my reaction was "it sounds like analogue" which is the first time that I have ever thought that about the CDX. A lot of what I heard also has parallels with what the Mana enthusiast describe. A definite reduction in hash, with a quieter, darker background. Individual instruments were now far easier to pick out and follow. Rhythmic patterns that I thought that I knew also know sounded more complicated with subtle changes in timing and shifts of pace that I hadn't noticed before. And all this just from adding a couple of table, I was well pleased! Hopefully thing will continue to improve over the next few weeks as the tables settle and I tweak the set up but right now this is looking like money very well spent. I recommend Hutter to anyone. John Music is the answer. |
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John,
Could you please please please post the details of the dealer? Thank you, Andrew Andrew Randle |
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Andrew,
I don't want to advertise the dealer details on this forum, but if you email me on john.channing@cwcom.net I will send you the info. If you also have a fax number I can fax you the Hutter price list (in German), but you won't get it until I return to work next week. John Music is the answer. |
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How about a set up like this for me next Christmas!
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Got to say it, but whether it works or not, I do not like the style.
cheers Nigel |
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... the pictures of the 3x500 clad in Hutter look reminiscent of shipping palettes. Which still is more cosmetic than the *ana stands. Maybe we should have a competion or poll for the 'Cleanest Install' system, akin to those seen in Auto Sound mags. I know that mine would not even make it through the first round.
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Well done - you've made a positive move in getting a decent support - Mana or Hutter, it's a step in the right direction.
I've gone 100% Mana and have some more levels coming to me next week (along with a s/h-but-mint Aro) and I'm excited!!! Merry Christmas, and enjoy your Hutter (and please post your thoughts as it settles in)... John |
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Hi John,
Congratulations on your new stands, & maybe you thought my views on Hutter were a bit OTT... The really good news is that the stands get better as they settle. This took about 1 week for me. It's had to believe that such an attractive stand can sound _so_ good, but as you have just found out, it does. Enjoy the music. Merry Christmas, Bob |
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Congrats dude! I hope you're experiencing a similar level of performance to what I'm now getting.
(note: those interested can check out more pics on the M@n@ Forum)) Cheers everyone, |
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I am sitting in front of this bloody computer, 9.15 pm on christmas eve, being verbally abused by the wife for being a sad git etc. Sometimes tinnitus is a blessing in disguise with a nagging wife waffling on. Still I have a glass of whiskey and mince pies to hand so not too bad.
Vuk...my little colonial friend.......you have sent in loads of photo's confirming the ugliness of this piece of ironmongery......but you have said nothing on the sound.......seems rather suspicious. Come on......spill the beans. Now be honest...is it as good as you hoped it would be ? Looking at the style of your decor, would have thought that the superb craftsmanship of Hutter would have blended quite well. Mick,......PS happy Christmas to you all who bother to read this stuff. |
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quote: Micky Baby. Blending??!! Mick, I'm not an old fart (yet). Blending is for chubbs; I like aesthetically balanced contrasts. Also, the bookcases are enough Ikea for me--Hutter would bring the place perilously close to a bread-trimmer's paradise. It's funny how John's Hutter pictures confirmed even more how pedestrian and unattractive it is to me, though I could see it working well in a place that had shiny black floors and lots of chique industrial piping to offset the playpen look Seriously, the Hutter is OK (much better that Quadraspire) but I do really prefer the look of Mana, especially at my place. I think a person with taste could make either one work well. Vuk. |
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quote: Vuk, Music is the answer. |
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John.
I'm just teasing the Swindon taste patrol (the one that wants to put teapot woolie cozies over toilet paper in every home). The Hutter is failry attractive if one is into that look. I prefer Mana, but I could easily imagine a totally different decor in which I would probbly like Hutter. That said, I am not terribly impressed by Joel's choices in assembly (sorry Joel, I know there is a point to it). Neats are close because (choose an answer): The speakers are spaced at the equivalent of 2/3rds the midpoint disatance from the listener. It just looks funny in the photo (my bookcase in the corner is also much wider than it appears). The positioning of equipment was based on consistent findings with every rack I've tried over the past 2 years. I really can't be bothered to f*ck around with it anymore. Also, when I post the next set of pictures showing the TT/prefix dilemma, among other things, you'll see that there is a practical reason too. Vuk. |
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Best reserve judgement on the look of John's Hutter kit, so far I haven't seen pictures of it fully set up with the metal shelf spacers.
Vuk, congratulations on the Elites. If they're anything like the Petite/Gravitas I've heard then they'll be fantastic. Although I'm not keen on the idea of placing the kit between the speakers, mainly from a soundfield point-of-view. Maybe there's no other alternative (however I say "where there's a will there's a way"). Andrew Andrew Randle |
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quote: Vuk, Music is the answer. |
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quote: Wow, looks like Vuk chooses to place his novelty gonks on his speakers before remembering he has a P9. Tony. PS What's the verdict on the new Mana rack then? |
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Tony.
If Hutter is better than what my stack of angle iron is doing, then I would sell all of my gear, by the Austrian stuff, stick a Sansui all-in-one on top, retire from internet audio and go on a nice trip with the money I would pocket. The son of the owner of the former Naim shop came by for a listen the other day and said it was the best system he had ever heard (and he has heard way more than I have). I also took the opportunity to ask him about Exposure gear, which he sold in Toronto a while back, and he commented that the amps were probably better than Naim at various price points, but that the pre-amps were not nearly as good. Vuk. P.S. The Neat Elites are absolutley stunning and are contributing in a big way to the fantastic music my system is producing. |
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quote: Vuk, Music is the answer. |
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