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They don't know how the stands work, you don't know how the stands work, nobody knows how they work. What do you want them to publish, speculative bullshit?

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No--but a reasonably plausible speculation cannot be discarded, either, unless someone decides to find out how [the stands] do (or don't) work--this requires research & development personnel, project management and a budget to do so, typically derived from profits.

Obviously, this approach is not limited to the manufacture of equipment stands, power amplifiers or Compact Disc players...

Dave Dever, NANA

[This message was edited by David Dever, NANA on WEDNESDAY 25 October 2000 at 19:09.]

I can't honestly say that I know how a cartridge (or anything else in my hi-fi) really works, certainly not why it's better than a Linn, for example, and I definitely don't need to understand this in order to make purchases. It seems, however, that some people are so caught up with insecurities that they need pseudo-scientific babble to make them feel at ease with what they are buying (I am not refering to Nic here, btw). At lower levels of audio, it's the sort who listen eagerly as dealers tell them about how many Watts this or that is capable of. It is perfectly fine to be curious about these things (and I am to some extent), but it shouldn't be an obstacle at all to buying something that sounds good to you.

Vuk.

3. Projekt - yes I had a very close examination -didn't hear it though - just looked at it in comparison to the Hutter and there really was no comparison, with regards to build quality anyway.
(veneer almost as bad as the Quadraspire) Looked a nice design though.

4.What do you mean by caretaker role?

Regards

Pierre

Yikes...my first post after lurking for a long time.

No doubt the Mana stuff is worth looking into but can someone compare Mana to Sound Organisation?

I am thinking of getting the 5-stand rack now that I have a critical mass of Naim gear.

Thanks very much.

John

32.5(stripped)/SCap/250/CDS1/Spendor 1/2s

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No doubt the Mana stuff is worth looking into but can someone compare Mana to Sound Organisation?

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John.

For a brief period, I made my own stands (you can check it out here) and they were much better than Sound Org, which I used to own. Then I heard Mana and realised how far behind I was and simply threw up my arms and ordered some. I see you've got a Supercap, so it should be easy to explain. Adding a Mana Reference Table under my CDX gave a comparable improvement to sticking a Supercap on a pre-amp that had no PSU before. Adding Mana under your entire system should give you more. If you don't like it, you can send it back, but if you do, you'll be cursing yourself for having waited so long.

Vuk.

Thanks for the reply. I feel like I know you after reading so many of your posts...

OK, well, where do I start? 4-tier amp stand, then reference top? Perhaps later, a sound stage. then flat top(s)?

Or, use the single component approach and take care of the CDS1 first?

Is Mana way behind on filling orders?

Cheers,
John

I find this endless debating of the merits of furniture, and the hijacking of every interesting thread by this subject, far more irritating than people choosing to use names other than their own. (And I note in passing that so many of the members of the Mana forum choose to name themselves after farm animals.)

Why is there this constant need by many people - in relation to Mana in particular, but also other things - not just to find something they like and to enjoy it, but to insist that everyone else must also like it to the same extent they do? I own lots of stuff that other members of this forum don't seem to like, and I honestly don't care whether anyone else appreciates it.

I have therefore decided - and you will probably think this is no great loss - to boycott any thread which contains the word "Mana".

Ross

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OK, well, where do I start? 4-tier amp stand, then reference top? Perhaps later, a sound stage. then flat top(s)?

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John.

I have a bias toward dedicated supports for sources, but experienced Mana users seem to suggest that the quickest strategy for optimal success (not to mention the most cost effective) is to get a rack that will hold everything and then place as many Sound Stages as you can afford or your ceiling will accomodate underneath. If you want to be a purist, which is my way of thinking, then an optimal 4:2:1 ratio for levels beneath source:pre:power is recommended by the experts. I am not yet an expert.

So as not to bore people like Ross, you may want to post your questions on the Mana Forum.

Vuk.

Amen

P.

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Ross.

I appreciate what you are saying. In fact, I was the first to react violently on the old forum when people brought up Mana out of nowhere to an upgrade question. Unless I am mistaken, it seems that Mana talk on the new forum is confined exclusively to threads with Mana in the title, so it's fairly easy for people to ignore them. I do admit, however, that there is an excessive amount of Mana talk around these days and I must take some responsibility for it. Having been an active contributer for so long, it is inevitable that a number of old Naim buddies will take my postings seriously (as I do theirs). It's hard to contain my enthusiasm because the rack, as if by magic (this is why Mana users are so vocal: the effect is way too fucking big to be believed until you try; other racks don't even give a clue to the possibilty), has rescued a system that I always felt should be performing three times as well, given its value.

Vuk.

Although I share some of your sentiment, Mana-mentioning in its various forms hardly qualifies as extreme behaviour among audio/music enthusiasts does it? Sometimes irritating in its vehemence and pervasiveness I accept - but then, as an Exposurephile among Naim enthusiasts you must be used to that?

The recent influx of falsely-named individuals detracts more from the quality of this site I might argue.

Stewart'

"I find this endless debating of the merits of furniture, and the hijacking of every interesting thread by this subject, far more irritating than people choosing to use names other than their own"

I think you will find that most threads involving Mana are labelled with Mana in the title. If not then it is likely to be a thread on stands which is not an unreasonable place to find a reference to Mana. Therefore it is very easy for most people to work out which threads to avoid.

"(And I note in passing that so many of the members of the Mana forum choose to name themselves after farm animals.)"

How many exactly? I can think of Mr Pig and Top Cat which is 2 people out of the 50 or so who post there regularly. Yet again someone who for some reason does not like Mana getting things completely out of perspective.

"I have therefore decided - and you will probably think this is no great loss - to boycott any thread which contains the word "Mana""

Good. You let people discuss what they want to discuss and you can go off to discuss whatever you want in some other threads.

As one of the early Mana advocates on the old forum I ended up in many discussions on how the stands work and why they are so good. In the end though I knew others would find out how good they are and that they would post here with extreme enthusiasm and that people like you would get annoyed. Mana seems able to affect people more greatly (mainly positively but occasionally negatively) than other Hi-Fi components and this is why it comes across as almost a religous fervour.

Ia

[This message was edited by Ian Wright on THURSDAY 26 October 2000 at 18:46.]

Somewhere on Page 1, I predicted that this wouldn't turn into another long, pointless thread.

I was wrong and stand (pun intended) corrected.

- GregB
Freedom is not in finding the Holy Grail but in stopping the search for it

Don