Huw,
in effect thats what I have done - Scap2 to the 282, then looked at the TT etc.

abc

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Originally posted by andy c:

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Go for an ARO

If you can afford it and you play enough records, otherwise save up for a 252( )

Thankyou all for your kind words and I'm glad you are both happy with my efforts.

Regarding, the upgrades mentioned above, I feel both would offer significant improvements for you.

I have to say that after experiencing the NIMA first hand, shuffling the letters round doesn't make it a NAIM. On many counts the ARO is better - I'm definately with Kuma on this, but there again for it's price it represents good value provided they resolve their armlead problems.

Andy - Enjoy


Regards,

Peter

Faffing about with old receipts I find that I purchased my Lingo before my 72/140 so obviously used it with old Nait 1 for a while. It means that the PS is >14 years old so I guess that might be nearer the front of the upgrade path as well.

Bloody hell - to Lingo or 'geddon, that is the question.

I think I'll just shut up and listen to some music for a while

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I have to say that after experiencing the NIMA first hand, shuffling the letters round doesn't make it a NAIM

True, but it is £1150.00 cheaper...

Just want to add that whatever peter did to my Lp12 - it worked - its sounding rather better that before it went back yesterday

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Originally posted by andy c:
Just want to add that whatever peter did to my Lp12 - it worked - its sounding rather better that before it went back yesterday

I should hope it does

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I should hope it does

..and I wonder what it will sound like when the arm lead has run in a little. The Roksan connector leave a bit to be desired, tho. Peter is quite right here in what he said about it.

and I wonder what it would sound like in front of a 252...

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and I wonder what it would sound like in front of a 252...

I'll wonder... 'cos I won't be finding out for quite some time!

But it does sound pretty darn good at the mo (well not quite now 'cos I'm off t werk! )

Surely running the Prefix would eliminate what appears to be a rather inconsistent item from your playback system (the roksan armlead)?

Mind you, the extra cash is probably better spent on the better arm (The aro), concentrating on information retreival closer to the source.

ho hum.

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Originally posted by Polarbear:

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Originally posted by andy c:
Just want to add that whatever peter did to my Lp12 - it worked - its sounding rather better that before it went back yesterday

I should hope it does

Good! I'm pleased my efforts were not in vain

Let's hope the new Roksan armlead behaves itself.

Peter

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Surely running the Prefix would eliminate what appears to be a rather inconsistent item from your playback system (the roksan armlead)?

Perhaps,
But on speaking to dealers, and over on PFM, the suggestion that there are other phono stages to investigate, that could yield better results, is well founded IMV.

Whilst I am a total Naim sheep when it comes to most of my system, I am not spending £1000+ on an arm (I don't yet play that many LP's compared to CD, but if this changes i may well revisit the arm issue), and I don't normally purchase anything based unless I'm able to demo it a v b. I did make an exception tho with the TT, based on dealer influence.

I have spoken to naim dealers who have done the demo of Nima v Aro and they say its about 7/10 of what the aro can do, for £1150.00 less!

The arm lead is fine, its the connector to the base of the arm itself. However thankfully there is a nice round hole in the Lp12 baseboard in case this is an issue again.

The main problem, which was a pain, was the earthing situation.

I decided to spend the dosh in this order: TT PSU, Circus, Plinth (my wife wanted the same finish as the Fraim but the better corner bracing has purported sound benefits), arm, cartrdge, phono stage.

I don't deny the aro will no doubt steam all over the Nima and other similar priced arms. But the Nima is performing rather well, and one thing I do like about is is I don't have to raise/lower the arm manually onto the Lp. I'm also sure you get used to this aspect of the aro.

Another thing is I was never going to supercap a prefix! I'd sooner change the Pre-amp to enhance all source replay.

andy c!

Andy,

I'm sure your Nima'd LP12 is doing the bizz sound-wise and I would love the opportunity to hear it soon!

Cheers,

Jon

Hey, if you're happy with a compromised product and are prepared to put up with its "features" for dosh saved, more power to you. It did after all allow you to buy some other kit.

Me? I'd rather buy something (whatever brand it is) that I don't have to worry about next time it goes phut.

It's a difficult position for a dealer to be 'hoping' the next item functions as expected!

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Originally posted by andy c:
I have spoken to naim dealers who have done the demo of Nima v Aro and they say its about 7/10 of what the aro can do, for £1150.00 less!

Andy,

I'd have to say that was about right.

It's certainly a very big step forward from the Ittok.

cheers, Martin

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Me? I'd rather buy something (whatever brand it is) that I don't have to worry about next time it goes phut.

Cymbiosis are not a Roksan dealer. It was not their (Peter's) fault the arm lead plug malfunctioned. Peter fitted the arm for me at my request whilst doing the other mods on the deck. Those mods were being done anyway - I just took the opportunity to get the arm fitted at the same time.

If you include price as a compromise I agree with you. I was never going to spend a grand on a tonearm, so there was no compromise to be made. The decision I had was whether the Nima would overtake the Ittok etc.

I don't think this plug is going to go 'phut' as you say.

thanks for the thought, anyway.

JonR,

you're more than welcome, but I'll pop down to see/hear your rig soon - I'll e-mail you accordingly in due course ok.

andy c!

PS one of the 'features' you refer to is sound quality, and that isn't lacking, trust me.

yeah cheers andy.

I suggested the product in question is compromised; not by price, but by quality. This is clealry illustrated by the fragility of the arm lead (that is, the assembly that carries the signal from the tonearm connector to your amplifier) borne by repeated failure.

I sincerly wish you the best of luck with it. I have heard that it can best an ittok - good job too!

Top marks also to your dealer, poor sod having to persevere with a product he doesn't sell! He's probably wondering why (he doesn't sell it).

Rico,
To clarify:
the 1st arm lead failed due to the connector. Interestingly when the 1st arm lead connector was plugged in properly (IE pushed back into place) it worked fine. The second lead is not faulty. The differance is on the 1st arm lead the earth was not connected from the connector to the TT - no Buzz. The second leads earth was re-solderd to the TT - Buzz. The Buzz was eradicated by removing the earth lead from the back of the Heed (on a temporary basis) to confirm it was this connection which was faulty.

Due to the Lingo2 being plugged into the ring main, and the Heed having its own spur, the earth was reconnected to the Heed, and disconnected from the LP12 chassis.

Therefore the 2nd lead is not faulty. It works fine. Therefore I don't have a repeated fault due to the arm lead.

I hope this clarifys things accordingly. Also over at the other place both u and I visit, there has been some talk recently about earthing issues re the Lingo and Naim systems. I now know, from practical experience, and the help of a brill dealer, what they are talking about. I do have the conn modded cable fitted to the lingo now - no buzz. It was horrendous before this lead was fitted - massive buzz thru the speakers on TT start up!

regards

andy c!

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Originally posted by Rico:
yeah cheers andy.

I suggested the product in question is compromised; not by price, but by quality. This is clealry illustrated by the fragility of the arm lead (that is, the assembly that carries the signal from the tonearm connector to your amplifier) borne by repeated failure.

I sincerly wish you the best of luck with it. I have heard that it can best an ittok - good job too!

Top marks also to your dealer, poor sod having to persevere with a product he doesn't sell! He's probably wondering why (he doesn't sell it).

Thankyou Rico for your kind words, but no as the afforementioned "poor sod" I'm not wondering why I don't sell it thanks....... phut, phut, phut phut!

Peter, I knew that before I posted. I think it might have been filed under ironic understatement - but then you knew that!

regards

Rico