I've often wondered why my LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana) with Klyde sounded better that my friend Paul's LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana, internal boards instead of Prefix) with Dynavector DV17 mk II and this weekend I've cracked it: it was the LP12's feet.
We both used 3 mm 3M feet underneath our players. I'd changed mine for 5 mm ones recently and was/am very pleased with the results. The results of the 5 mm feet under Paul's player were nothing short of amazing.
The improvement was so great that he, who had not appreciated the Hi-Cap on his 72 much and was seriously thinking about selling it, now decided to hold on to it because of the big big improvement it made to his system.
The sound is now very well balanced, there is a serious amount of bass and it is all very fast, clean, forward and musical. Serious cartridge, this DV17. Could very well be my next. Frightening: it also does 'space', that is you can hear 'things' around the instruments that are not there (well, you get my drift). Klyde doesn't do that, it just lets you hear every note that is being played.
Might hold on to LP12 after all, although there are some exciting demos coming up in the following weeks. One is Rega P9/Exact and the other the Orbe SE with a rather special arm. Will keep you posted.
Serious cartridge, this DV17. Could very well be my next. Frightening: it also does 'space', that is you can hear 'things' around the instruments that are not there
Willem
You'll be pleased to know that DV have introduced further improvements in the form of a MK3 version. I think the price is unchanged.
Peter
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I've often wondered why my LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana) with Klyde sounded better that my friend Paul's LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana, internal boards instead of Prefix) with Dynavector DV17 mk II and this weekend I've cracked it: it was the LP12's feet.
Your conclusions are directly intertwined with the fact that both you and your friend use Mana for support of your Sondeks. The results may not be directly applicable to a different rack/support system, particularly those that do not use glass for the shelving material.
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I've often wondered why my LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana) with Klyde sounded better that my friend Paul's LP12 (Naim bits, on Mana, internal boards instead of Prefix) with Dynavector DV17 mk II and this weekend I've cracked it: it was the LP12's feet...
...this DV17. Could very well be my next. Frightening: it also does 'space', that is you can hear 'things' around the instruments that are not there
"The elevating top-end caused by improper loading can sometimes be perceived as 'air' or high-frequency extension, but in reality, it is actually odd-harmonic high frequency distortion."
"One common mistake is to add mechanical damping to the turntable/tonearm system without first considering electrical optimization to address the brightness and high-frequency. The problem with this approach is that the transient and decay of musical notes are affected by mechanical over-damping."
if I am reading your post correctly, your friend couldn't appreciate the [MASSIVE] improvement a hicap brings to a 72 *until* he changed 3mm feet under his LP12 to 5mm feet? There's something very, very wrong in that system.
you might consider a complete re-setup starting from first principles.
regards
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Originally posted by Rico: if I am reading your post correctly, your friend couldn't appreciate the [MASSIVE] improvement a hicap brings to a 72 *until* he changed 3mm feet under his LP12 to 5mm feet? There's something very, very wrong in that system.
Fortunately there is nothing wrong with his system. Or with mine. It's just that I think that the 3 mm feet were meant for bigger sounding carts, like Troika's. The Mana is not very suited to the relative leanness of the DV 17. HiCap was an improvement in the previous situation, but you didn't really miss it when you took it away again. Now I'm afraid it has become so addictive that you (= my friend Paul) won't be able to do without.
My own system is also a lot better with the 5 mm feet. After I'd lowered the VTA a bit and took the top off the needle pressure the music became quite a bit more credible. One just never stops learning.
The electrical connection (as questioned by bwolke) is very much in order. Klyde works with K-Prefix as if they were made for each other and S-boards and DV17 go well together too.
Happy now (but still dreaming about an easier and more modern solution to play my records, like Orbe SE, P9 or SME 10).
Hmm - I've tried the 3M feet and felt they're just there to address some of the mana issues, particularly the extra hifi of the "additional levels" nonsense.
accordingly, I still use mana with the plain old Linn rubber feet, and the CDS3 is straight onto the glass.
How old is the HiCap in question, has it been factory serviced, or modified in any way? Naim Black SNAICs throughout the system?
Admittedly haven't tried the 5mm feet - not really likely to given dislike of 3's. Perhaps this is a case of one man's meat etc. I still maintain though, that not missing a hicap on a 72 (after removal) is not the natural order of things - the HiCap is so fundamentally important.
regards
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