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T38.45
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does somebody know why they don't use a bigger box size (like the NAC282 or NAP250)?
 
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Exiled Highlander
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It is a full size box is it not?

Jim
 
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fixedwheel
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Full width (432mm), not full height (70mm rather than 87mm)

Case is like a 122x rather than a 202

John
 
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james n
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Finally - thw white paper. Looks to be a good read.

James
 
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Roy T
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Originally posted by T38.45:
does somebody know why they don't use a bigger box size (like the NAC282 or NAP250)?

Yes, because if the did you would have people of the smaller boxes causing a fuss.
 
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Exiled Highlander
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So why doesn't it match my 1984 Technics amp? I am really disappointed that it doesn't have a built in turntable too...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Jim
 
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ferenc
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I wonder which jitter solution is the best, Naim's or Wavelength's (http://www.usbdacs.com/Concept/Concept.html)?

I know not the only thing that contributes to the sound but just curious. Haven't done any other research with other companies.


Not really comparable.
 
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glevethan
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Originally posted by Patrick F:
I will have one in NY in november both at accent and Innovative.


Will you be demoing it connected to a Mac (since it appears that it was never demoed hooked up to a computer during the UK road show)?

By the way - WHY was it never demoed when connected to a computer?

Gregg
 
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Plinko
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Originally posted by Plinko:
I wonder which jitter solution is the best, Naim's or Wavelength's (http://www.usbdacs.com/Concept/Concept.html)?

I know not the only thing that contributes to the sound but just curious. Haven't done any other research with other companies.


Not really comparable.


Is the end product comparable (getting jitter free digital to a dac from a pc)?

*edit* I'll take your word for it. I'm pretty sure which product I would prefer. Just curious about two different implementations to address a similar problem.
 
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glevethan
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Spdif will definitely be best if what they've done about clocking holds true. Firwire was recommended as the best way to get a low jitter spdif to a DAC when using a specific chip(circuit). Not as a direct connection though nothing wrong with that either but as has also been discussed 1394 is not universal. It has advantages to standard USB as used with PC/MAC protocols but nothing is better than PCI so a lynx card etc was also on the list. This was mostly for jitter reduction and to possibly bypass mixers. If the output is actually bit perfect and quiet, in theory, the Naim solution should be as good as any and very freindly. We'll have to hear it to see and nothing here will prevent you from using a Lynx or TC if you so desire. I can get better results from a Nagra LB used as a DAC with a TC than I got from a pretty good firewire DAC currently in favor here at a similar cost. I'll be expecting results at a much higher level here but that remains to be seen as will best interfacing with computers. Thinking about how this DAC is arranged, the player portion may be integral in allowing jitter correction without adversly altering the stream. Could just as easily be wrong there.


So the only way to connect a Mac Mini would be via a TC?
Can you explain what you mean by the player portion being integral?

Thanks
Gregg
 
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fixedwheel
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Gregg

You can take the Toslink Optical straight out of the mac mini to one of the 4 optical inputs on the dac.

John
 
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...which is the suggested method in the white paper. Keep in mind that a separate spur for a noisy computer supply might be a really good idea (especially if you've ever listened to the ambient noise coming off an Apple notebook or Mac mini power supply).

It really is quite good, IMHO, in the flesh, even without an XPS or 555PS power supply–well worth the wait.
 
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David Dever
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WHY was it never demoed when connected to a computer?


IMHO this is not representative enough of the wide variety of computer-to-DAC connectivity possibilities, nor of the many ways in which someone can thoroughly strangle the performance with a noisy local power supply.

IMHO, if Naim had demonstrated the DAC with a Mac mini on the Summer Sounds road show, many of the people on this forum STILL wouldn't be satisfied, or would have their fair bit of excuses as to why it should sound good / better / worse / awful / excellent / crap.

Do the demo, enjoy...done!
 
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jon honeyball
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Originally posted by glevethan:
By the way - WHY was it never demoed when connected to a computer?

Gregg


I might well be wrong (old age and all that), but I'm fairly sure that DAC was demoed connected to HDX?

jon
 
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Originally posted by Patrick F:
I will have one in NY in november both at accent and Innovative.

And there I plan to be.
 
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fixedwheel
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Originally posted by jon honeyball:
I might well be wrong (old age and all that), but I'm fairly sure that DAC was demoed connected to HDX?

Big Grin
 
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james n
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nor of the many ways in which someone can thoroughly strangle the performance with a noisy local power supply.


How do Naim achieve this with the HDX / n-Vi ?
 
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David Dever
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Do the comparison.
 
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Klout10
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Originally posted by james n:
Finally - thw white paper. Looks to be a good read.

James


Sorry, but where can I find these?

Regards,
Michel
 
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Klout10
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A Google search for "naim dac white paper" did the job!

Regards,
Michel
 
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