Hi
after a lot of time spend on positioning Minstrels in my room I get them to sound acceptable and started to like them.

On some music, Minstrels have quite good bass, it could be punchier, though. Also, I found them not linear, there is a small 'gap' in the midrange, on some recordings very evident. Oh, and I get a lot of trebles, despite I changed resistors in x-over to cut them down a bit.
I miss is a scale and weight also. I think they are too small to correctly reproduce rock or elektronica with volume levels I like.

I was offered a pair of used dynaudio audience 70. I auditioned few months ago audience 72 at the dealer and quite liked them, especially the bass
I listened to 52SE with my Nait and Linn Genki IIRC and I found them nice, warm sounding but a bit boring and slow. This could be the cardas cables or dyn's not broken-in.

My concern is will Nait 3 (Nap 90) or Densen B-100 have enough power to drive them and if my room isn't too small? It's 3,20m W x 2,60m H x 5m L. Speakers will be placed at shorter wall, I have some space behind them (~ 1m) and between side walls(~60-70cm).

Also, quick comparison with Credo will be great

Any thoughts what can I expect with my amps and audience 70 in my room? Any comments welcome.

Radek

Hi Radek, I have been using Dyaudio Audience 70 with a 102 and 250 for a few years and I love them, I have recently upgraded to the new 250 and they still work well. I prefered them to the then Naim SBLs! However, I was lucky in that the dealer let me try them with different speaker cables at home and I found that the Nordost range balanced out the bass extremely well. Go for the price of cable you can afford, the more expensive ones give you even more of the music and timing. I use Blue Heaven. So I have a slightly warm but sharp sounding system with pleanty of bass when the music has it. I also use Nordost between the CD player and amp.

Regards Amer

Thanks Amer,
I have 2x1m Nordost Red Dawn cable, 1m is sometimes short but my gear is between loudspeakers so it fits.

Not sure how my naim like this lenght but I didn't have any problems so far.

Do this dyns have a good slam and scale?

The Nait3 would be able to drive the Audience 70, but not very loud since the 70 is not an easy load. The Densen has more headroom so it would cope more easily.

In my opinion, the lack of drive is more likely due to the Genki, which is why you're turning up the volume beyond what your Minstrels can do. I think you would get best results by improving your source, either with a Naim CD player such as a CD5x or by adding a Chord DAC64 which works very well with the Genki as transport.

My minstrels are to bright and fatiguing, esp. when loud and lacking the scale being small speakers.
I like their imaging, detail, speed, foot tapping factor.
What can I expect using audience 70?

Isn't my room too small for them?

Source soon to be upgraded to TT.
Currently using Philips 963SA player.
Not great, not bad either.

Radek

Radek,

Your room isn't that small. Shooting across means that you are very close to the speakers, especially when you are putting them 1m into the room. This means that they are just over 2m from you. That's really close. The Dynaudio speakers should not be more than 2m apart in this case. Usually they should not be toed in but in this case it may be necessary.

I notice you found the 52SE to be slow. The Audience 70 is slower than a 52, so I don't think they wouold resolve your problems. Perhaps you should look elsewhere.

Is there no way for the system to be setup shooting down the length of the room? This would probably have benefits in bass with the Minstrels. If not, then you'd be better off looking at wall proximity speakers such as Naim Arivas or Allaes. These would give you some much needed distance and since they're easier to drive than the Dynaudios they would put less stress on the amplifier.

quote:

Originally posted by Frank Abela:
Radek,

Your room isn't that small. Shooting across means that you are very close to the speakers, especially when you are putting them 1m into the room. This means that they are just over 2m from you. That's really close. The Dynaudio speakers should not be more than 2m apart in this case. Usually they should not be toed in but in this case it may be necessary.

Is there no way for the system to be setup shooting down the length of the room? This would probably have benefits in bass with the Minstrels. If not, then you'd be better off looking at wall proximity speakers such as Naim Arivas or Allaes. These would give you some much needed distance and since they're easier to drive than the Dynaudios they would put less stress on the amplifier.
I notice you found the 52SE to be slow. The Audience 70 is slower than a 52, so I don't think they would resolve your problems. Perhaps you should look elsewhere[/QUOTE]

Speakers are at a short wall, so shooting across length of the room, I'm sitting on a couch placed at opposite wall, ca. 3.5-4m from speakers.

I'm also considering Credos, I demoed them about a year ago at dealers room and quite liked them, detailed, fast, nice bass IIRC. The problem is that they should be close to the back wall, and I have a balcony door at that wall, although there is a chance that credo will fit just between doors and heater, I could put them against a balcony door (a lot of glass) and move them when I want to get out, dunno if my GF will accept this. I also don't remember how well credo sound with 'big' and complex music?

Alaes wasn't that good driven by Nait3, seems that they require a bit more power. Arrivas are out of my budget, unfortunately

52SE I heard with some linn cdp and cardas IC was slow but nice, warm and full sounding. I think CDP nad IC could be blamed. I think I'll give'em another listen this week.